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CONLANG  July 2012, Week 3

CONLANG July 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Apology! but at the same time....

From:

Matthew DeBlock <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 21 Jul 2012 00:51:16 -0400

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text/plain (66 lines)

I would like to appologize.

In a moment of baijiu induced weakness it seems I violated the social contract of this particular community.

I was wrong to do so, especially at the end when I egged him on.

I do however stand by my right to do so. I firmly believe I stayed within the bounds of what is considered "acceptable baiting"

"Trolling", a new word for me is only bad when the intention is hurt, this term is far to often used to defend people who initiate the emotional element aimed at derailing an argument

I do not have time to use the socratic method, I am rather busy in a new role.

And by any fair definition of "free market", "deregulated public sector", "creative forum", etc...

The rules never stipulate that anyone is allowed to do whatever they want

Freedom is always granted under the condition that the group police and regulate itself.

I do not think I crossed what I consider to be the line between "voicing a blunt opinion"/"strategic argument baiting" and "malicious flaming"(ecept the last 2 egg ons.. that was to far)

I accept this forum requires more stringent diplomatic policies. I will adhere to them in the future.

I was mearly weak, and this persistant thread was pushing a sensitive button for me living over here

Please accept my appology, I was wrong to disrupt the thread beyond my initial statement, I should have just let it go.

Kindest regards,

Matthew DeBlock

////////////// people seem to love selective cropping here
///////////// so I am ataching my first statements, for the whole thread please read the messages I sent, I crop

As someone who has lived in china the last 8 years, I have out of necesity
invented a new word... "religistory"( treating historal texts as if
religious doctrine, and assuming evolution somehow works in reverse with
our ancestors being smarter and wiser than us), I've been folowing this
with interest.

In my mind, any attempt to define a standard for absolute beauty will
inevitably turn into religistory a the very best.

I also noticed someone implied that in teaching art some kind of standard
is necesarry.

Ignoring 2 simple pieces of common knowledge about art

1.A large portion of the artists most widly considered "amoung the
greatest" were never accepted during their lifetime(the classic image of a
starving artist). If there were absolute beauty, why would it require time
to be recognized?

2.Those who can't... teach. Very few art teachers are sucessfull artists,
so what bearing does common teaching methods have on any arguments about
art? thats like saying "most politicians say XXX" in a political debate,
what bearing does Ethos have in a LOGOS conversation.

The best art teachers, and most widely accepted "good advice" for artists,
ALL point to "there is no standard, go your own way, create something
new.... BREAK ALL THE RULES!"

As far as I am concerned, anyone rallying to define an absolute standard
of beauty has a hidden agenda which will only reveal itself when you take
their proposed defintion for beauty, and reverse it. this is their
definition of "ugly", and they want to erradicate it.

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