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CONLANG  July 2012, Week 3

CONLANG July 2012, Week 3

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Re: Speedtalks and briefscripts (was: Hemingway story

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Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:50:20 -0600

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On 21 July 2012 10:17, And Rosta <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Logan Kearsley, On 13/07/2012 00:38:
>> On 12 July 2012 17:26, Alex Fink<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>> [...]
>>> But Katanda does something like your option 3, you say (I don't see much
>>> crucial difference), and Sai has always wanted to use the idea, and I've
>>> seen some byte-based project whose name I forget that does it, and so forth.
>>>
>>> One could perhaps generalize this so that there aren't just a set of
>>> disjoint domains and that's that, but rather a tree of domains, with a
>>> progressively longer form needed to switch to a word whose least common
>>> ancestor with the current one is farther up the tree.  Or a system like that
>>> but with multiple current topics.
>>
>>
>> This is what I call the namespace approach. In theory, Gogido was
>> supposed to be constructed this way, but I've never gotten around to
>> actually defining the namespaces. Borrowing from how it works in, say,
>> Java, every phrase has a syntactic slot for a namespace, which you can
>> use to give a more-or-less specified 'path' to the correct set of
>> definitions. If it's empty, then the namespace is inherited from the
>> parent phrase in the syntax tree, with sentences inheriting from the
>> last namespace employed as a discourse-level particle. Namespaces are
>> an open lexical class, and can be expanded just by giving a new
>> definition for a word with the new namespace specified. Namespaces
>> would be actively extended to accommodate jargons.
>
> Alex & Logan, could you each give a couple of examples, so I can better
> grock what you're getting at? Logan's idea eludes me completely. I think I
> get Alex's, but it'd be nice to see a sketch of an actual morphological
> implementation.

So, consider a word like "theory" that causes so many problems because
scientists have one very specific definition for it and other people
have a much broader definition of it.

In a namespace language, each of those definitions would belong to a
different namespace, which is identified by a lexical item in a
special lexical class of namespace-words. I personally would implement
it as syntax rather than morphology, with namespaces being specified
at phrase level. Using X-bar theory, every other phrase could be
enclosed in an additional namespace-phrase level, whose head is a
namespace and whose complement is the original phrase, and the
namespace specifies which definitions to select for all of the words
within its c-command domain, until its overwritten by another
namespace specification.

Given a head-initial syntax, you might have examples like this (using
English words with capitals for namespaces):

SCIENCE the theory of BIOLOGY evolution is well confirmed.
SCIENCE the theory of ASTRONOMY evolution stellar is well confirmed.
(ASTRONOMY::evolution is a different meaning than BIOLOGY::evolution)
ART he gave a performance stellar. (outside of the ASTRONOMY
namespace, "stellar" is free to carry its metaphorical meaning)
LINGUISTICS he gave a performance stellar. (LINGUISTICS::performance
is a different meaning from ART::performance)

-l.

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