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CONLANG  July 2012, Week 3

CONLANG July 2012, Week 3

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Re: Calligraphy (was: Speedtalks and briefscripts)

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:00:35 +0100

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On 19/07/2012 18:50, Padraic Brown wrote:
> --- On Thu, 7/19/12, R A Brown wrote:
[snip]
>
>> What I still maintain is that the development of Arabic
>> calligraphy is not due to the Arabic abject but to
>> other cultural effects, and that any creative
>> calligrapher can produce comparable effects in other
>> scripts.
>
> Abject? Do you mean abjad?

Indeed, I do mean _abjad_ - I think the spell-checker
changed that without my noticing   :(

> Yes, I think it's also pretty clear that any effect one
> can do in Arabic calligraphy, one could or even does do
> in English calligraphy.

Or Greek, or Cyrillic, or whatever.  As Adam rightly
observed: "The only limit is the calligrapher's creativity."

>>> I am not aware of any Western tradition of using
>> quirky
>>> lines at all, such as for instance in Taʿlīq style
>>> Arabic script:
>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ta%27liq_script_1.jpg
>
>>>
>>>
> To me that looks like swooping lines of text. I've seen
> similar curving pieces of English calligraphy.

Yes - I have too have seen similar curving texts in western
calligraphy - just couldn't find nice, convincing examples.

===========================================================

On 19/07/2012 17:33, J. 'Mach' Wust wrote:
[snip]
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:14:15 -0700, Padraic Brown wrote:
[snip]

>> As do I! I don't think I went as far as saying that
>> runes can't be written beautifully! But I do maintain
>> that their straight lines and angles don't lend
>> themselves well to common calligraphic styles.
>
> My point exactly. But in addition to that, in my ears
> the assertion that "[the rune's] straight lines and
> angles don't lend themselves well to common calligraphic
> styles" is but a complicated way of saying that runes
> are inherently less calligraphic.

I disagree:
http://pinterest.com/pin/229613280972426761/

Thanks, Adam    :)

Nice to have a calligrapher on board.

[snip]
>
> I believe that the shorthand systems' (English-geometric
> or German-cursive) uneven base line and overloaded
> formal repertoire doesn't lend itself well to common
> calligraphic styles (even worse than in the case of
> runes, and independent of writing speed).

Disagreement again, I'm afraid.

Tho 'tis true this is bringing back to where the exchanges
all started   :)

I did have a quick look in my "Gregg Shorthand Manual
Simplified" and, quite honestly, I think that even with my
somewhat rusty calligraphic skills I could, using proper
calligraphic pens, make quite a good job of producing
versions comparable to some of the things we see in Arabic
script.  I do concede that Pitman, with its awkward angles
and differentiation between thick & thin lines presents more
of a challenge; but I suspect Adam could make a fair job of
it    ;)

Also a "calligraphic Pitman" would also have dots and dashes
as vowel markings which is a bit like Arabic  :)

I won't bother to respond to Adam's email because all I
would be doing would be to quote each paragraph and just add
"I agree."

-- 
Ray
==================================
http://www.carolandray.plus.com
==================================
"The only limit is the calligrapher's creativity."
Adam Walker    2012

PS - I'm staying out of the absolute beauty business. I got
Plato out of my system some time ago   :)

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