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CONLANG  August 2012, Week 2

CONLANG August 2012, Week 2

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Re: Nations (was: Reviving dying languages through conlanging?)

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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--- Wrote Christophe Grandsire:

> ObConlang: in Moten....In any case, it doesn't have the sociological 
> baggage that the word "nation" has. What words do your conlangs use to 
> describe this complex area?


In the World, they seem to be of the opinion that with so many actual races of
people living in the place, it doesn't make much sense to discriminate on the
basis of mere skin tone.

In the Eastlands, I don't even think the word exists, or if it does, it would
probably indicate something more like a clan.

The Philosophers divide - and they sure love to divide things - people first 
by what *here* would be called "species". This is your "henetos" (obviously
from gene-). Your "etnos" is more what we'd call "culture" and involves things
like language, religion, food and so forth, and viewed by them in terms of
ancestral ethnicity -- where the etnos originally came from.

Politics is divided up differently: the top level is the "reis puvlicas", and
is really a regional ideal, philosophically speaking. It is the consortium of
regional states and polities working together in harmony for the good of all
inhabitants. Often times leaders in various fields (usually religious or
academic) will gather and discuss various regional issues. One obvious example
of the reis puvlica in action is the yearly meeting of certain wise heads who
will determine by what name the next year is to be known.

The payse (or rhhs, depending) is what we'd call a "nation-state" -- a unified
political body with its own laws, leadership, military and so forth. These can
be large and centralised, like Auntimoanye, or small and decentralised, like
Teleran. The demas (or grafdomaz) is a large subnational division, something
like a province or state. It is the largest polity most people identify with.
Smaller divisions - dioces / contat; ourpes / citet; burgs / burgaz - roughly
correspond to our counties, townships and cities respectively. These are areas
of more localised administration. There is also the concept of the "landaz",
which can be the equivalent of rhhs, but can also mean an uninhabited land,
or any extent of politically organised or unorganised territory - border
marches and the like. There is also the concept of the "dandaraz", which is
uninhabited wastrel land; or also fallow fields.

The various churches, temples and sacred groves that make up the religious life
of the Eastlands also have their own adminstrative divisions. The Kristian
church is synodal in nature, each bishop having a "provencea" to which belong
the various parish churches, chapels, monasteries and the like. Some Pagan
churches have broad administrative regions in like fashion.

Philosophy itself is divided into "stoases", the broad schools of thought and
"scholia", the more focused perspectives.

So, as I understand the (American) word "nation", I don't really see a direct
equivalent *there*. The political terms never apply to a specific race or
ethnicity, so it's not like they can speak of the "Avanitmannish Nation" the 
same way we could speak of the "Polish Nation". The Avantimen don't form a
unitary ethnic, racial group.

The Daine understanding is quite different, as you might expect. You are either
a Daine, or you are not. A black human, a white teor, a gnome, a Dharg -- 
doesn't matter much to a Daine. They only have ethnic terms for other Daine.
They typically live in small, quite manageable realms ruled by a queen and her
council. Rarely do they venture into the vast territories like the payses of
Men. Westmarche and Darennalie are the two obvious exceptions in the Eastlands,
both being very large in size and by population.

Padraic

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