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CONLANG  August 2012, Week 2

CONLANG August 2012, Week 2

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Re: A/O & P/S and Backwards Animacy

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:03:20 -0700

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> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Arthaey Angosii <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Short but odd question: Are there any attested natlangs where the agent is
>> syntactically the *object* and the patient the *subject* in a sentence?
>>
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Not sure I fully understand the question/problem, but Malay/Indonesian make a lot of use of their so-called passive voice, in which the P/O is the S and the A is expressed in one of two ways. 

Active, SVO: Ali menulis buku itu. 'Ali wrote the/that book'
     Ali(S,A)  write (ACT) book DEF (O)

Passive 1. buku itu ditulis Ali  --- thet hat book was written by Ali  
       Book that (S) write(PASS) (by) Ali (A)
di- is the marker of passive voice or object focus if you prefer.

OR Passive 2 ...ditulis oleh Ali.
     ,,,write(PASS) by Ali

Also possible SVO: Ali menulisnya 'Ali wrote it' (with prior context, e.g. "I really enjoyed buku-TITLE") -- -nya is the 3pers possessive suffix, here refers to the O)

Passive: buku itu di/tulisnya 
            Book that (S) (PASS)write/(by)him
 (also with previous context mentioning Ali-- here -nya refers to the agent)

And of course when you relativize on the O, passive is required in the Rel.Cl.--

Saya sudah membaca buku yang dutilus Ali "I've read a book that Ali wrote."
I     PERF    read       (a)book REL is/was written (by)Ali

And in sort-of cleft sentences--

Buku itu/lah yang ditulis Ali
book that/EMPH REL Pass-write (by)Ali
'It was that book that Ali wrote (or,...was written by Ali)'

However, SVO is also common and probably the default for most sentences.

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