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CONLANG  September 2012, Week 2

CONLANG September 2012, Week 2

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Re: Collaborative Method (WAS: Fiat Lingua, September: Is a Collaborative Conlang Even Possible)

From:

Daniel Prohaska <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:10:39 +0200

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Nice, I like it.
Dan


On Sep 7, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Gary Shannon wrote:

> I love the idea of creating a conculture and a conlang concurrently.
> Or even creating the conculture IN the conlang. For example, to tell a
> story, say a brief version of a creation myth, in the conlang. The
> conlang only needs to be developed far enough to tell this short myth,
> and no more. Then the next person adds another story to the mythology
> corpus, creating whatever additional features and vocabulary the
> conlang needs to tell THAT myth.
> 
> And the very earliest myths could be extremely simplistic, so that the
> conlang doesn't need to be "full blown", but only just rudimentary
> enough to get the project started. E.G:
> 
> "Earth existed always. It was cold and dark and dry. Sun was far away
> and did not know of Earth. Then Sun discovered Earth and came to warm
> it and bring light to it. And at the end of each day Sun touches Earth
> and brings fire, and fire makes high smoke (clouds). And from high
> smoke (clouds) comes rain. And rain fills the lakes and rivers and the
> sea so that the fish and the animals can come to live on Earth. And
> Sun puts both water and fire in the high smoke and when the rain
> falls, the high smoke sends bolts of fire for the people to find and
> use to warm themselves."
> 
> --gary
> 
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Mia. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> From my own experience with Kenakoliku, we had exactly the same precipitous
>> drop off in participation that seems to plague most collaborative conlang
>> projects.
>> 
>> I don't think that it was entirely a failure because there were some things
>> that I learned from the process. There were things that worked really well
>> and things that didn't. It was easy to get vocabulary created (and then, in
>> some cases, to extract some morphology from that) by turning it into a game,
>> but there was no corresponding grammar game.For a future project, I'd remedy
>> that.  I think we had some fantastic ideas come in for the writing system.
>> (And a few silly ones too. I will confess to posting the silliest ones.) If
>> I were doing it again, I'd include more not-strictly-conlanging activities,
>> perhaps in the vein of creating a conculture
>> 
>> I definitely think there has to be something outside of the language itself,
>> some reason to use it, to justify the time commitment and the sustained
>> attention needed to really flesh a project out. Maybe if it were approached
>> as more interdisciplinary collaborative fiction, rather than a language
>> project, it might bring and hold people a little more.
>> 
>> NGL (Tokcir), another collaboration,  went on for quite a while after it
>> left CONLANG-L for its own list. I think that it was more successful than
>> average because it accommodated the wishes of different people by letting
>> them each have their own take on it. Sometimes people leave when they see
>> things aren't turning out the way they'd prefer, so some flexibility in the
>> design is a good thing. The modular design idea also seemed to work really
>> well, allowing for blocks of vocabulary and structure to be proposed as a
>> unit. And, for whatever reason, that particular little group seemed to fit
>> together pretty well socially, IMO.
>> 
>> 
>> Mia.

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