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Re: OT: weird intrusive -r in non-native English

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Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:35:41 -0500

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On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:26 PM, Douglas Koller wrote:

>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:09:00 -0700
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: OT: weird intrusive -r in non-native English
>> To: [log in to unmask]
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>>> Can anyone else suggest more words with final [@]? I can only think of 'sofa', 'Cuba', 'Virginia'.   I recall Pres. Kennedy had the "intrusive r" on a lot of words, but only before another vowel or phrase-final, and that's a legitimate feature of his Boston dialect (and quite a bit of the Northeast US).
> 
>> Here are a few more with (r) marking the ones I, personally, have heard with -r:
> 
>> kinda,

That one's interesting, since the -a comes from _of_!

[...]
>> fella,

I get the impression "feller" is pretty common throughout the US, but it most areas it's joking or affectionate. (Of course the -a form already deviates from the standard _fellow_.)

[...]
>> wanna(r), gonna(r),

More examples of words which don't "originally" end in [log in to unmask]

[...]
>> spa,
>> bra,

Do these words end up sounding like they're two syllables? I find that when I try to pronounce them in a forced-rhotic way, they come out ending in [a.r\`=] rather than [ar\`].

>> algebra, era, camera, opera, plethora, flora, carnivora, Sinatra,
>> orchestra, extra,

How is the ending of these realized? I have the sequence of nonsyllabic r followed by syllabic r (i.e. [r\`r\`=]) in _rural_, but it feels awkward to me to use it word-finally. I wonder if they just come out with one syllabic r, either short or long.

> Don't remember where I heard it, but the rubric was: if you drop your r's in some places, it pops back up in others (fathuh/idear).

I've noticed a handful of words that people often put intrusive rhotics into *word-internally*, even in my dialect (southern Wisconsin) which doesn't have it word-finally; e.g. _familiar_ [fr\`="mI5jr\`=]. On the other side of the coin there are a few words where there is an etymological /r/ but it isn't realized, e.g. _particular_ [p_h@"t_hIk_hj@lr\`=] (sometimes there's barely even a shwa in the first syllable).

In the case of _familiar_ I wonder if it's assimilation at a distance; but AFAIK *dis*similation at a distance is much more common, and dissimilation often affects liquids (and rhotics in particular), so I wouldn't expect that.

> As for the Chinese sprinkling r's about like so much confetti, the one that used to grate in Taiwan was "deleeciours deeshers" (aka. delicious dishes). r in -ous words seemed particularly rampant, to my ear. I haven't noticed it here yet.

One of my Japanese teachers, a Japanese woman from the Tokyo area, consistently pronounced /V/ in English as [r\`], as in _because_ [b@k_hr\`z].



(Sorry for the gnarled-looking phonetic transcriptions in X-SAMPA, which I've probably messed up. I'm not sure whether this rhotic pronunciation is a phonological or phonetic feature in this context.)

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