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CONLANG September 2012, Week 2

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Re: OT: weird intrusive -r in non-native English

From:

Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:24:59 -0500

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> But it's not consistent with all vowels and it actually seems quite
> interesting.
>

Yep. Wikipedia suggests that it does not occur with high vowels (or, as
you've noted, with diphthongs ending on high vowels).

matt

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On 13 Sep 2012, at 21:55, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > My theory about it is as follows. 'Idear' is an English dialectical
> variant
> > of 'idea,' possibly going back to that thing that Brits do with inserting
> > /r/ between words ending with a vowel and words starting with a vowel ("I
> > saw-r-a film today, oh boy").
>
> Ooh, I never noticed I did this. But it's not consistent with all vowels
> and it actually seems quite interesting.
>
> The RP vowels which (for me at least - my accent doesn't have a few of
> these vowels so I'm having to "pretend to be posh" - and I've missed a
> couple out which are simply *too* posh) cause an insertion of /ɹ/ are:
>
> /ɑ/ - "I car a film" /kɑ ɹə/
> /e/ - "I bear a film" /be: ɹə/
> /ə/ - "I runner a film" /nə ɹə/
> /ɔ/ - "I saw a film" /sɔ ɹə/ (of course)
> /ɒ/ - "I loh a film" /lɒ ɹə/ (I'm allowed to make up words!)
> /ʌ/ -  hard to think of an actual example, but it almost certainly is /ʌ
> ɹə/
> /u/ - "I shoe a film" /ʃu ɹə/
> /ʊ/ - "I luh a film" /lʊ ɹə/
> /æ/ - "I kah a film" /kæ ɹə/
> /ɪ/ - "I bih a film" /bɪ ɹə/
>
> *However*
> /i/ - "I be a film" /bi jə/
>
> What's also interesting is how /ɪ/ causes /j/ when in diphthongs:
>
> /ʌɪ/ - "I buy a film" /bʌɪ jə/
> /ɔɪ/ - "I boy a film" /bɔɪ jə/
> /eɪ/ - "I say a film" /seɪ jə/
>
> And how other diphthongs cause /w/ instead:
> /əʊ/ - "I show a film" /ʃəʊ wə/
> /ɑʊ/ - "I cow a film" /kɑʊ wə/
>
> While the diphthongs which have evolved into single vowels in contemporary
> speech: /ɪə/ and /ɛə/ produce /ɹ/ even when diphthongs.
>
> What's peculiar is how these vowels are normally transcribed in English
> and how (for me at least) they have particular associations with the
> graphemes for approximants: "ar", "er" "or" "ay" "uy" "oy" "ow" etc. Is
> there an association - and in which case in which direction is it: did
> pronunciation affect transcription or does transcription affect how we
> think about the words (I know it's unlikely, but it was just a thought)?
>

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