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CONLANG  October 2012, Week 3

CONLANG October 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: politics and prescriptivism (was: Re: Solutions for Bad Romanizations

From:

Charles W Brickner <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:12:41 -0400

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No one mocks me!
Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Adam Walker
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:13 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: politics and prescriptivism (was: Re: Solutions for Bad
Romanizations

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> --- On Thu, 10/18/12, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Leonardo Castro 
> <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> > By the way, as I'm not a native English speaker, I could "compose" 
> > my accent in order to maximize contrasts, e.g., I could pronounce 
> > the "w" of "weather"
> > in a different way from the "wh" of "whether", as happens in some
> dialects.
> > For the pair* for/four*, I should then search how to pronounce them 
> > differently (maybe /fOr/ and /fO@r/). I wonder if the resulting 
> > accent would be easy to understand for most native English speakers.
> >
>
> I couldn't say whether it would be easy to understand until I'd heard 
> it in action, but I can tell you for sure that it would sound odd to 
> *everyone*, since everyone would be hearing you do things that were 
> wrong in their own dialect.  So you'd probably end up being corrected 
> in different ways by absolutely everyone you met.
> ================================================
>
> Agreed, but... many of us still maintain the w- ~ wh- contrast (or am 
> I the last of a breed?). OTOH, Leonardo's "for/four" exs. sound odd to me.
> Technically, in careful speech at least, they are homonyms--though the "o"
> sound is a bit lower than [o] but also a bit higher than [O], and 
> there may or may not be a [@] off-glide. But most of the time "for" is 
> [f@r], while "four" is never reduced to [f@r].
>

You are not the last.  I'm a fair bit your junior IIRC, but I maintain the
distinction, though I have been mock for it by students and other children
(oh and my baby brother's wife).

Adam

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