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CONLANG  October 2012, Week 3

CONLANG October 2012, Week 3

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Re: Yardish Grammar

From:

Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:45:36 -0400

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I was thinking to create my own swear words, like flipping dragon. I'll 
probably use one or two of our swear words. Thanks for he info. A fictional 
form of grammar is a personal verb, or a proclause. I haven't figured out 
what a proclause is. This should be interesting, as I haven't figured out 
how many parts of speech there will be. What's a good limit for parts of 
speech? In other words, English has eight, but what about other languages, 
I'm wanting to use that as a model for Yardish's xpeech parts.
Emerging poet
Pen Name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
tweet me



GreenNovelist

blog


www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Dunn" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Yardish Grammar


>I don't know what "fictional forms of grammar" means.  I'd need an example
> of that to see what you're talking about.
>
> Of course swear words have grammatical forms.  For example, in English, if
> you will pardon the profanity (this is citation, not use):
>
> I fuck
> you fuck
> he/she fucks
>
> I fucked
> you fucked
> he/she fucked
>
> passive participle: fucked
> active participle: fucking
>
> As it turns out, a perfectly regular weak-conjugation English verb. 
> "Shit"
> fares less well, perhaps:
>
> I shit
> you shit
> he/she shits
>
> ?I shat
> ?you shat
> ?he/she shat
>
> passive participle: ?shat
> active participle: shitting
>
> In my experience, those strong conjugation forms aren't used very often,
> and when they are they sound almost excessively precious.  The passive
> participle is problematic, not least because "shit" is intransitive
> (usually doesn't take an object).  However, I seem to recall a line in
> Chaucer about a "shitten sheep"?
>
> Expletive nouns tend to be perfectly regular, all pluralized with the
> alveolar fricative suffix.
>
> a fuck
> some fucks
> a shit
> some shits
> and so on.
>
> So, to answer your question: yes, expletives are quite grammatical.  But
> then, pretty much all parts of language are grammatical.  After all, 
> that's
> what makes it a language!
>
> --Patrick
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Patrick, thanks for the clarification. I end up deleting a lot of the
>> responses to my questions as they get too linguistic.  Yardish has 
>> allways
>> had onamastic stems, and fictional forms of grammar. While the topic is
>> grammar, can swear words have a grammar form?
>>
>> Emerging poet
>> Pen Name Mellissa Green
>> Budding novelist
>> tweet me
>>
>>
>>
>> GreenNovelist
>>
>> blog
>>
>>
>> www.theworldofyemora.**wordpress.com<http://www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Dunn" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yardish Grammar
>>
>>
>>  (For beginners:  "onomastic" means dealing with names, so onomastic 
>> stems
>>> would be words that are proper names)
>>>
>>> And:  Any idea how that arose diachronically (across time)?  I'm trying 
>>> to
>>> wrap my mind how that could come to be, and I'm coming up blank, but 
>>> then,
>>> I just graded far more papers than the Geneva convention allows, so . . 
>>> .
>>>
>>> --Patrick
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, And Rosta <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Nikolay Ivankov, On 19/10/2012 12:42:
>>>>
>>>>  Russian has different verb forms in past tense for the three genders 
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>> has. So why not to conjugate differently for proper names.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> My Livagian has different conjugations for when the stem is 
>>>> onomastic --
>>>> i.e. you can tell from the inflection whether the stem is onomastic. 
>>>> But
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't have inflections that tell you whether its dependents have
>>>> onomastic stems.
>>>>
>>>> --And.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available 
>>> for
>>> order from Finishing Line
>>> Press<http://www.**finishinglinepress.com/**
>>> NewReleasesandForthcomingTitle**s.htm<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
>>> >
>>> and
>>> Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/**Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/**
>>> 1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&**qid=1324342341&sr=8-2<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>
>>> >.
>>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> order from Finishing Line
> Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
> and
> Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>. 

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