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CONLANG  October 2012, Week 3

CONLANG October 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Yemoran Expressions

From:

Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:57:18 -0400

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ywemorans aren't dragons, but they use them a lot. Yemorans start off as 
insects which the parents cocoon. Then they come out of the cocoon in 
humanoid form, just differently-shaped hands.
Emerging poet
Pen Name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
tweet me



GreenNovelist

blog


www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nikolay Ivankov" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yemoran Expressions


> Well, this changes much in the discussion about the Yemoran's medieval
> culture and the way of life (only cities, interstellar contacts). I'd
> replace the word "medieval" with "pre-industrial", which just means that
> Yemorans do not produce machines more complex than, say, clock and 
> windmill
> and no engines at all.
>
> At this point You may have whatever explanation why do Yemorans live in 
> the
> cities. Why, they are dragons, their physiology and psychology may be
> totally different from ours, or be similar, but with unexpected quirks.
> Say, they need to stay within some close range of some kind of energizing
> rocks, around which their cities are built, but if they have some king of
> herding or agriculture they just have no problem to fly a long distance to
> their fields or pastures.
>
> Back to to language construction, the Yemoran's may have such kind of
> speaking apparatus that they may pronounce the sounds impossible for 
> humans
> and vice versa.
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Comming into contact with English words works. TYemoans are a dragon
>> culture.
>>
>> Emerging poet
>> Pen Name Mellissa Green
>> Budding novelist
>> tweet me
>>
>>
>>
>> GreenNovelist
>>
>> blog
>>
>>
>> www.theworldofyemora.**wordpress.com<http://www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Stutter" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yemoran Expressions
>>
>>
>>
>> What? Sayings and slang - correct me if I'm wrong - are two entirely
>> different things. Slang is using non-standard, informal and (very often)
>> "impolite" words. There are plenty of really great slang sources:
>> urbandictionary.com is my favourite :)
>>
>> There's always plenty of slang words for "police" and anything that's
>> illegal. Slang is independent of dialect or accent and usually unites one
>> social group - the military produces copious amounts of slang. How do you
>> invent slang? Well, you can borrow from other languages your conlang 
>> might
>> have come into contact with - the English word "chav", for example,
>> probably comes from Romani gypsy "chavi" meaning "boy" or (I only learnt
>> this the other day) the British army term "sangar" probably comes from
>> Hindi.
>>
>> You can twist existing words by modifying their sound, squishing two
>> existing words together "manbag" (male handbag), "hatinator" (a cross
>> between a hat and a fascinator) or using them differently "scally" 
>> (meaning
>> miscreant, but actually meaning "Liverpudlian" but actually meaning a 
>> type
>> of stew) or using acronyms inventively - hence "fubar" and "yuppie". Then
>> again, words can simply be made up, like "yomp" (I swear it's a 
>> backronym).
>>
>> "Sayings"? You mean like "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"?
>> Just work out what your people need to express often enough that an 
>> analogy
>> comes in handy. What sort of things do your people come into contact 
>> with?
>> If they're a fishing culture, they're likely to have a lot of fish-based
>> analogies. I dunno... "sadder than a pair of empty waders"? If they breed 
>> a
>> lot of cattle, they're likely to have lots of cattle-based analogies...
>> uh... "when the bull looks annoyed, it's no time to lean on the hedge".
>>
>> Sam Stutter
>> [log in to unmask]
>> "No e na'l cu barri"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2012, at 23:29, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>  I meant sayings and slang expressions.
>>> Emerging poet
>>> Pen Name Mellissa Green
>>> Budding novelist
>>> tweet me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> GreenNovelist
>>>
>>> blog
>>>
>>>
>>> www.theworldofyemora.**wordpress.com<http://www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikolay Ivankov" <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Yemoran Expressions
>>>
>>>
>>>  That's the question that make people like me come to the conlang list.
>>>> Because Your question may actually be interpreted as "how do I create a
>>>> language?". And since the whole list is functioning for such a long 
>>>> lime,
>>>> with different people of different ages, nationalities and views still
>>>> have
>>>> plenty of stuff to discuss for so many years, this question could not 
>>>> be
>>>> answered lightly.
>>>>
>>>> As a novice in that, I can recommend learning a new language. It's the
>>>> easiest way to become on par with the terminology. Also, every new
>>>> language
>>>> you learn gives you new unexpected insights. For me learning Japanese
>>>> was a
>>>> mind-blowing experience, and though I have almost forgotten this
>>>> languages
>>>> within the years that passed since then, it has strongly influenced me
>>>> and,
>>>> finally, led me here.
>>>>
>>>> One could have also suggested reading some more theoretical works, but
>>>> I'm
>>>> afraid they are seldom available as audiobooks or even in a format that
>>>> could be read by a voice-generator. I'm definitely not sure, but I had 
>>>> to
>>>> take the books I needed from the library, for they are also quite
>>>> expensive. I hope that this may be different with the language 
>>>> courses -
>>>> in
>>>> the end, in most more or less big cities it is always possible to just
>>>> attend one.
>>>>
>>>> Once you get familiar with basic constructions and how they vary in
>>>> different languages, you have much more space for imagination. And 
>>>> that's
>>>> when you may start to fancy, how such and such phrase may sound in your
>>>> conlang. Here, again, we all have much freedom. Language itself is a
>>>> piece
>>>> of art, just like a novel or a verse. Other people can give advises,
>>>> share
>>>> common patterns, but that's it.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, if my e-mail was not helpful. That is as much as I can suggest.
>>>>
>>>> Best luck with Yermona!
>>>>
>>>> Kolya
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  How do I create Yemoran expressions?
>>>>> Emerging poet
>>>>> Pen Name Mellissa Green
>>>>> Budding novelist
>>>>> tweet me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> GreenNovelist
>>>>>
>>>>> blog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.theworldofyemora.**wordpress.com<http://www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com>
>>>>>
>>>> 

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