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CONLANG  October 2012, Week 4

CONLANG October 2012, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Cloud Atlas future English

From:

Cosman246 <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:36:29 -0700

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text/plain (102 lines)

Here's a response to that:
http://www.racebending.com/v4/blog/cloud-atlas-conversation-yellowface-prejudice-artistic-license/


-Yash Tulsyan (yasht, cosman246)
<http://cosman246.com>


On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Aidan Grey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>
>
> I disagree. Just using makeup to make someone look Asian, particularly if
> it isn't full of stereotype (squinty eyes, glasses, bowl cut, and buck
> teeth), is not racist. No more racist that black guys pretending to be
> white chicks. JUST the makeup isn't enough. It depends on how the makeup is
> done, and whether it caters to stereotypes.
>
> That said, I haven't seen it and probably won't for months and months at
> least, so... maybe it is.
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Cosman246 <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:27 PM
> >Subject: Re: Cloud Atlas future English
> >
> >It is still racist. *Very* racist, in fact
> >
> >Perhaps we should be having this conversation somewhere else, but I
> >*emphatically* refuse to have anything to do with it, especially because
> >one of the lead actors (I think it was Jim Sturgess), when trying to
> >confront any concerns people might have had about the message this sort of
> >casting and makeup sends, treated it like a joke.
> >
> >-Yash Tulsyan (yasht, cosman246)
> ><http://cosman246.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:25 PM, George Corley <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Anyone seen the movie Cloud Atlas yet?  Just saw it yesterday with
> >> several
> >> > friends/family.  Very interesting future post-apocalyptic English
> used in
> >> > one of the threads, which I can honestly say I only mostly understood.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm about halfway through the book.  At least there, there are two
> >> different future Englishes, though I think that the post-apocalyptic
> >> English is a bit more interesting than that of Nea So Copros (where I
> >> wonder why English is even being used, seeing as the action of the
> story is
> >> in future Korea).
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Cosman246 <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I didn't watch the movie because I found its use of makeup to make
> White
> >> > actors look Asian (yellowface) racist. If it were blackface (c.f. Al
> >> > Jolson), everyone would recognize the problem and complain.
> >> >
> >> > -Yash Tulsyan (yasht, cosman246)
> >> > <http://cosman246.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had not heard about this.  I'm assuming that they did this to give Tom
> >> Hanks a part in the Nea So Copros bit?  I understand that there was an
> >> artistic choice to give Tom Hanks and Halle Berry parts in all of the
> >> sub-stories.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Cosman246 <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > That does not mean that the "future dialect" may not be interesting,
> >> > however. I recognize the point is "multiple bodies for a soul"; they
> >> could
> >> > have used voice actors for that a la http://youtu.be/-7bG5wo95jI .
> >> >
> >> > -Yash Tulsyan (yasht, cosman246)
> >> > <http://cosman246.com>
> >> >
> >>
> >> It's an artistic choice.  Oddly, since there is one soul through the
> books
> >> that has both male and female incarnations, I don't see how they're
> going
> >> to do this.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

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