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Re: Which phoneme do you feel that fits better which pronoun?

From:

Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 9 Nov 2012 22:13:31 +0100

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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:47:27 +0100, Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >Depends on what language you'd like to construct. I've been just
> rethinking
> >the pronouns for my own project, and I'm trying to choose the phonemes
> that
> >would be the "least" suitable for the "common sense" fro the short list
> >of available phonemes. So, for instance I have /r/ for the first person
> and
> >/z/ for the second.
>
> Hey, Pjaukra uses /r/ as its first-person element, and I wasn't trying to
> be perverse!  /l/ for second.  (Though I'm not wholly satisfied with that.
>  The former contributes to Pj's surfeit of /r/s in frequent grammatical
> words; and the pair of them used to be disgustingly parallel, which I've
> started breaking but amn't fully happy with yet.)
>

I would've found some more perverted phoneme if there was such in Janjarin
phonology. Btw, this /r/ has already reduced to making the nearby vowels
creaky, and there is actually a tone change. Now I hope it sounds perverted
enough :-P


> Anyway, on the original question, we've had threads touching on each of
> these recently:
>
> >On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I'm trying to relate phonemes to pronouns, but I can't decide if
> >>
> >> * /k/ will stand for 1st person & proximity ("I, me, my, this, here,
> self,
> >> etc.")
> >> and /m/ for doubt & question ("what?, who?, which?, anyone?, someone?,
> >> any?, somewhere?, etc.)
> >>
> >> * or vice-versa.
>
> Nasality feels nice and resonant and selfly, but velars are closer in to
> oneself (cf. <
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1208c&L=conlang&O=A&P=66100>),
> so they both have their advantages for "I".  I'm not sure which one feels
> questionier to me, though Pjaukra again uses /kj/ for questions and /mj/
> for its one deictic series.
>
> >> I can't decide either if
> >>
> >> * /h/ will stand for plural & multiplicity ("many, some, all, etc.")
> >> and /s/ for auto-reference ("myself, itself, etc.")
> >>
> >> * or vice-versa.
>
> A recent discussion on good phones for plurality was <
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1206B&L=CONLANG&F=&S=&P=4350>
> -- I was in the minority as finding [s] very singular-sounding.
>
> Alex
>

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