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CONLANG November 2012, Week 2

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Fwd: Logical conlang with easy phonology.

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Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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From: Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 2012/11/10
Subject: Re: Logical conlang with easy phonology.
To: Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>


2012/11/9 Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>

> Bom dia, Leonardo!
>

Bom dia!
De fato, boa noite, aqui e agora!

Oh, you still have a challenge, all right! :-)
>
> 1. The grammatical conversion scheme is rickety. I've been meaning to
> do away with direct conversion (changing only the POS diphthong at the
> end), instead always using full morphemes to convert. It's partly done
> in draft form (not published on the web) but it's still kind of ugly.
> One thing I want to get away from is over-prescriptivism in the
> place-structure of verbs. It should be easier just to coin a word,
> confident that there are enough conversion mechanisms to yield all the
> needed forms even if the original choice wasn't the "best".
>

By the way, I imagine all my verbs to denote well-defined "binary" relation.

For instance, "kuomi kuome kuomu" * could be "eater eats food" and "kuomu
kuomo kuomi" is "food is eatten by eater". If someone wants not to cite an
subject/object, I'm considering requiring using "-i/u" to denote this
suppression, so

"kuomi kuome kuomu" could become "kuomi kuome-u" (eater eats)
"kuomu kuomo kuomi" could become "kuomu kuomo-i" (food is eaten).

Also, "the house is beautiful" could be "huasu linte-u" or simply "huasu
linteu". (The word "huasi" would be reserved for "house inhabitant".)

* My root for "eating" is not well-established and I accept suggestions. I
had "kuom-" before, similarly to Qakwan's root, I have already moved it to
"mans-" or "mank-", and "˝iam-" could be a good onomatopeic choice,
couldn't it.



> 2. The paucity of one-syllable words makes it rather long-winded.
>
>
In my conlang draft, words like "mioi" could be pronounced as one-, two- or
three-syllable words. And modifiers like "tai" as one- or two-syllable
words.


> 3. One of the easiest to pronounce POS markers, "~ai", is allocated to
> one of the least-used POS's: non-final compound components. Productive
> compounding (as opposed to word-blending) is therefore over-optimised.
>

Interesting! Similarly to you, I imagined "nai" as my "anti-" modifier, but
the modifiers would all be placed as postpositions for the sake of rhyme
possibilities.

I have an idea for making compound using -a-, -io- and -ue-, as illustrated
below, but I think that maybe all my basic roots should be restricted to
4-phonemes to avoid ambiguity:

"lanta-lieni" = "lantalieni" : language student (generic relation)

"lieni-o lantu" = "lienielanta" : student of language, someone who studies
languages

"liena-lantu" = "lienalantu" : student language (generic)

"lantu-e lieni" = "lantuelieni" : language spoken by student


>
> It is fun to speak, though. It ends up sounding (in my and my friend's
> speech) like Samoan spoken by an Itialian.
>

I have heard your sound files and I think that It has a nice sound!
That's the kind of sonority I want to my language.


AtÚ mais!

Leonardo


2012/11/10 Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

> 2012/11/9 Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> Bom dia, Leonardo!
>>
>
> Bom dia!
> De fato, boa noite, aqui e agora!
>
> Oh, you still have a challenge, all right! :-)
>>
>> 1. The grammatical conversion scheme is rickety. I've been meaning to
>> do away with direct conversion (changing only the POS diphthong at the
>> end), instead always using full morphemes to convert. It's partly done
>> in draft form (not published on the web) but it's still kind of ugly.
>> One thing I want to get away from is over-prescriptivism in the
>> place-structure of verbs. It should be easier just to coin a word,
>> confident that there are enough conversion mechanisms to yield all the
>> needed forms even if the original choice wasn't the "best".
>>
>
> By the way, I imagine all my verbs to denote well-defined "binary"
> relation.
>
> For instance, "kuomi kuome kuomu" * could be "eater eats food" and "kuomu
> kuomo kuomi" is "food is eatten by eater". If someone wants not to cite an
> subject/object, I'm considering requiring using "-i/u" to denote this
> suppression, so
>
> "kuomi kuome kuomu" could become "kuomi kuome-u" (eater eats)
> "kuomu kuomo kuomi" could become "kuomu kuomo-i" (food is eaten).
>
> Also, "the house is beautiful" could be "huasu linte-u" or simply "huasu
> linteu". (The word "huasi" would be reserved for "house inhabitant".)
>
> * My root for "eating" is not well-established and I accept suggestions. I
> had "kuom-" before, similarly to Qakwan's root, I have already moved it to
> "mans-" or "mank-", and "˝iam-" could be a good onomatopeic choice,
> couldn't it.
>
>
>
>> 2. The paucity of one-syllable words makes it rather long-winded.
>>
>>
> In my conlang draft, words like "mioi" could be pronounced as one-, two-
> or three-syllable words. And modifiers like "tai" as one- or two-syllable
> words.
>
>
>> 3. One of the easiest to pronounce POS markers, "~ai", is allocated to
>> one of the least-used POS's: non-final compound components. Productive
>> compounding (as opposed to word-blending) is therefore over-optimised.
>>
>
> Interesting! Similarly to you, I imagined "nai" as my "anti-" modifier,
> but the modifiers would all be placed as postpositions for the sake of
> rhyme possibilities.
>
> I have an idea for making compound using -a-, -io- and -ue-, as
> illustrated below, but I think that maybe all my basic roots should be
> restricted to 4-phonemes to avoid ambiguity:
>
> "lanta-lieni" = "lantalieni" : language student (generic relation)
>
> "lieni-o lantu" = "lienielanta" : student of language, someone who studies
> languages
>
> "liena-lantu" = "lienalantu" : student language (generic)
>
> "lantu-e lieni" = "lantuelieni" : language spoken by student
>
>
>>
>> It is fun to speak, though. It ends up sounding (in my and my friend's
>> speech) like Samoan spoken by an Itialian.
>>
>
> It has a nice sound!
>

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