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Re: Which phoneme do you feel that fits better which pronoun?

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R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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On 10/11/2012 12:45, Leonardo Castro wrote:
> 2012/11/10 R A Brown
>
[snip]
>>
>> I guess the reason I haven't replied sooner is that
>> the question seems to me really a non-question.  There
>> is IMO no sort of in-built appropriateness of any set
>> of phones being "more proper" for 1st person pronouns
>> or for interrogatives.
>>
>
> That's why I asked about your "feelings"...

Well, I didn't have strong feelings one way or the other  ;)

> Besides, I like sound symbolism and I have realized that
>  /k/ would be nice for "proximity". As I wanted the same
>  morpheme for "I, here, my, this", and I'm a little
> biased towards /k/ sound in Portuguese "aqui" (here) and
> "cá" (here [too]), I wanted to know if it felt strange
> to use it also for "I, my, self". I reminded that velar
> sounds are present in "ego", "jag", Proto-Germanic
> *ek<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Germanic/ek>,
>
>  Proto-Indo-European
> *éǵh₂<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Indo-European/%C3%A9%C7%B5h%E2%82%82>,

All true - and finding /k/ in other languages I guess
reinforces this.


>
> As I don't know many non-IE languages, it is now nice to
>  read from you that /k/ is actually used in many
> languages for 1st person. I know I could simply choose
> anything, such as "tuou", for 1st person, but there
> might exist more probable patterns, don't you think so?

Possibly. I've studied to a greater or lesser degree as many
languages as I can over the past 64 years or so - I never
cease to be surprised at what I actually find in natlangs!

>> Surely it depends upon the sort of conlang one is
>> designing and on what the designer prefers.  If one
>> cannot really decide, IMO tossing a coin is the
>> simplest way to decide   :)
>
> But discussing it in a list is more amusing and I learn
> more!

Yes.

But I think it really does matter what sort of conlang one
is constructing.  There are some conlangs, e,g, Classical
Yiklasmu and Neoquux, that do not have personal pronouns.

-- 
Ray
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