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CONLANG  November 2012, Week 3

CONLANG November 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: The Cananite Wedding In Flanders Fields

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:52:48 -0800

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--- On Sat, 11/17/12, Puey McCleary <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I’m going to bring up the complication of having to substitute a
> culturally appropriate food or drink and still have it make sense.  One
> reason I wanted to work upon this text is because I realized that,
> whatever I did with wine at the wedding, I’d probably also have to do to
> the wine at the Last Supper.  As far as I remember, wine is mentioned in
> the different versions of the Last Supper, and then Jesus is acting like
> the host, or perhaps the bridegroom at his party.

Indeed. In the case of the Osmannic translation, the culturally appropriate
drink is mead. Note from the story that, although there is also ale (and
probably beer), wine itself is also available, but it is described as
"sour". The heroine complains to her mother: "...The feast ends this night
and there be yet wine in plenty." And later, the hostess herself says:
"...it is the usual custom that the best mead is served first! Thus, once
the guests are well sotted, they will not notice when the lesser brews and
at last the sour wines are served."

> I thought perhaps that milk would work (or flower milk) in
> this context because the Promised Land in the Old Testament
> is sometimes called “The Land of Milk and Honey.”  This way,
> perhaps there can be a thematic parallel between the story of Jesus and
> the story of the Exodus.  The Gospels often make reference to fulfilling
> the Old Testament anyway.  There may even be ways to describe Jesus’
> words as “like honey.”

I think they tie in nicely.

Perhaps among the Daine (on whom alcohol doesn't work all that well), milk
would be an appropriate drink of choice.

> I’m sure that Prince Khyèxhrowe Khyexhròwiqan (“Beloved of the
> Ancestors”) was eager to perform his first miracle, but, being a pious
> prince he still consults with his mother after all, even though he is
> thrice eleven winters of age.  His filial piety, though, I think, is
> going to be a theme throughout these stories.

Ah, such a good boy!

This notion of filial piety will tie in nicely when you get to the bits
where Jesus talks about his Father in Heaven, and when he gets to the bit
about "not my will be done, but yours".

> The numbers 3, 7, and 11 are sacred.  A great deal of arithmetic is done
> just by using multiples of seven or eleven.  For more complicated
> mathematics, there is an entire base-11 numbering system.  It can make
> fractions a bit difficult, at least for me.

If the Christians *there* are trinitarians, then there's a natural tie-in.
Also, when Judas shall have excused himself from the Company, thus making
for a perfect eleven disciples. There are also seven (people oriented)
Commandments and three (God oriented) Commandments.

> Eunuchs are grammatically feminine, so they are called “she” or
> “women.”  They even wear womens’ dresses, though their costumes are
> denote them as eunuchs rather than free women. Eunuchs are permitted
> in harems and to do tasks appropriate for women.

Very interesting!

While castrated & eunuchified Daine males have seen use as women's
servants, among the human overlords of the East, the usual use has been
the far more degrading sex slave trade.

> I must admit I’m a little sad to cut out Joseph from this version, since
> he’s a very interesting character. But he just wouldn’t make sense in
> this world.   However, even in our world it’s not without precedent.  If
> I remember right, Joseph isn’t even mentioned in the Qur’an, plus Mary
> is the only woman mentioned by name.  Also, she’s Moses’ sister, making
> Jesus his nephew.

Well, if he doesn't fit in at all, then he doesn't fit. Could not some
other character take on some of Joseph's roles? Who does the angel come
to in a dream to warn them to take Jesus away to Egypt?, for example.

Padraic

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