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CONLANG November 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: A Two-Word dictionary

From:

Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:42:38 +0100

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On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Mathieu Roy <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> A way to choose the order of the word could be from the most important to
> the least important fundamental words: for example: vehicle-sea and not
> sea-vehicle since we first want to refer to the concept of vehicle, and
> then we specify its characteristics. What is your way to choose the order
> of the words?
>

Well, don't we have "marine vericle" vs. "véhicule marine". It depends on
the (preferred) word order of the language, and I think that the people
here that made several conlangs have tried many of them. Though, of course,
everyone can have their our favorite schemes.


> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] De la
> part de neo gu
> Envoyé : lundi 19 novembre 2012 20:31
> À : [log in to unmask]
> Objet : Re: A Two-Word dictionary
>
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:41:39 -0800, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >An idea for a dictionary of two-word definitions:
> >
> >In a conlang that derives new nouns by compounding "fundamental" nouns
> with
> >other nouns, verbs, or adjectives, there is a lot of flexibility as to
> >which nouns are "fundamental" and which nouns are "derivative". A
> sea-going
> >culture might have a fundamental noun for "boat", but consider a "wagon"
> to
> >be a "land-boat". On the other hand, a landlocked culture might have come
> >up with a fundamental word for "wagon" and only later found a need for a
> >word like "sea-wagon".
>
> How do you handle words where the modifier of the noun is itself modified,
> like fly-catch-bird?
>
> >An interesting exercise, before even deciding on a phonology or any
> >grammatical principles of a new conlang, might be to decide on the type of
> >environment in which the conlang was born (desert, jungle, seaside,
> >mountain side,...) and what technological level existed at the time the
> >language sprang into existence (stone age, bronze age,...). Armed with
> >these two bits of information and perhaps even a rough idea of the myths
> >and legends of the people and some idea of how their culture looked, a
> >preliminary dictionary could be compiled, in English, listing nouns and
> >identifying each either as "fundamental" or giving their two-word
> >"definition".
> >
> >This dictionary would eventually become the foundation of the conlang
> >dictionary once roots were invented for each "fundamental" noun, verb, or
> >adjective. For example, in the area of body coverings (gear/wear = gwear)
> >such as "headgear" and "footwear", we might add these definitions to the
> >English version of the two-word dictionary:
> >
> >backpack: load gwear
> >beast: FUND (non-human animal)
> >cold: FUND
> >foot: FUND
> >gloves: hand gwear
> >gwear: FUND (gear/wear - item of clothing or worn equipment)
> >hand: FUND
> >hat: head gwear
> >head: FUND
> >horse: load beast
> >in(ner): FUND [adj]
> >leg: FUND
> >load: FUND (Stuff carried or transported)
> >neck: FUND
> >overcoat: cold gwear
> >pants: leg gwear
> >rain coat: rain gwear
> >rain: FUND
> >scarf: neck gwear
> >shirt: trunk gwear
> >shoes: foot gwear
> >trunk: FUND (The trunk portion of the human body)
> >underwear: in(ner) gwear
> >
> >Building such a dictionary in English would go a lot more quickly than
> >building it in a new conlang since no time would be wasted in dreaming up
> >new roots for every new entry. What is known of the culture and
> environment
> >of the people would guide the construction of the dictionary. Once
> >relatively complete, the dictionary would serve as a source for
> derivations
> >in the conlang. Each time a new root is invented for the conlang a text
> >editor search function could find all the derived words that need that new
> >root and the conlang dictionary would more or less build itself on the
> >skeleton of the English two-word dictionary.
> >
> >--gary
>

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