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CONLANG  November 2012, Week 3

CONLANG November 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Verb encoding strategies

From:

Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:55:34 +0100

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On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> On 15 November 2012 15:34, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Is Path an optional encoding for Russian verbs? If so, how is aspect
> > encoded on verbs without Path information?
>
> Yes, sort of. I do not have native intuition for exactly when it's
> required and when it's not, but Russians tend to use it whenever they
> can, and don't use it only when they can't (i.e., if it would be
> disengenuous to specify path information that they don't have, or
> that's totally irrelevant). When you don't want to specify path
> information, but do want to specify non-default aspect, there are
> semantically bleached forms (typically in po-) for indicating a
> generic perfective. This is a general pattern for most Russian verbs-
> the root form is imperfective, semantic prefixes derive different
> perfective forms (and then there's more additional morphology for
> transforming those more specific verbs back into imperfectives), and
> one of those will be picked as the bleached generic perfective. There
> are trends for what those bleached perfective prefixes will be, but
> they're not completely consistent. You just have to memorize the
> perfective/imperfective pairs for every verb. And then of course there
> are irregulars.....
>
> -l.
>

Ok, let me try to use the native speaker intuition. So, we can try the
following pairs:

"Я еду к мосту / Я приеду к мосту / Я подъеду к мосту"

Roughly, all the three mean "I'm coming/will come to the bridge". The
suffixes "при-" and "под-" give the Path (coming close to the bridge) and
simultaneously change the aspect - in English they would be translated as
Future Perfect. If you want to have present form, there you'll need the
verbs "продъезжаю", which may also be interpreted as habitual form, and
"приезжаю" is always habitual.

"Я еду по мосту / Я проеду по мосту" Same thing with crossing (through) the
bridge, with the form про-еду putting the verb in FP, and the present form
"проезжаю" is also used as habitual.

It works similarly with crossing (over), (еду / перееду через, with almost
necessarily проеду if you speak of the tunnel instead of bridge), getting
from (еду/cъеду с), getting away from (еду / уеду от).

And, as said, there are exceptions. Say, for a kind of archaic verb
"ступать" "to step, to be going (pompously)", "приступать" will mean "to
begin" (lit. approaching the working place) and "уступать" will mean "to
concede".

That's just shedding some light on the idea.

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