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CONLANG  November 2012, Week 3

CONLANG November 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: conlang testing desiderata

From:

Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:56:47 -0600

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Yeah, this struck me as a weird claim, too.

We rarely see definite nouns as the subjects of existential verbs

*"There is the book in the box."
There is a book in the box.

But as far as I know, the definiteness effect doesn't constrain either def.
or indef. nouns from being subjects of verbs of any particular modality.


On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> --- On Sun, 11/18/12, Wm Annis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > For another example, it turns out a sentence like "a man helped me at
> > the store yesterday" is wildly unlikely in natural speech.  We don't
> > expect indefinite nouns to be the subjects of transitive verbs,
>
> We don't? Yet I hear sentences like this regularly, on the news, in
> everyday conversation, etc, etc. We're always hearing how "an armed gunman
> held up a bank" or "a black SUV barreled into people waiting for a bus" or
> "a top government official was engaged in an affair". What's odd about
> that?
>
> Why oughtn't we expect indefinite nouns to be the subjects of trans. verbs?
>
> > and this is so rare that it is ungrammatical in a few languages.
>
> Padraic
>
>


-- 
Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
order from Finishing Line
Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
and
Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.

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