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CONLANG  November 2012, Week 3

CONLANG November 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: V Latin Sound Change

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:54:51 +0000

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On 15/11/2012 15:56, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
> On 15 November 2012 10:30, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>
>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Leonardo Castro wrote:
>>
>>> 2012/11/14 Matthew Boutilier
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure French only gets initial /w/
>>>> (spelled <ou>) in loanwords
>>>
>>> What about "oui"?
>>
>> I hear this as /ɥi/.
>>
> Well, then you're hearing wrong, because as a native
> speaker I can tell you it's definitely /wi/.

Yes, it's what I hear from my French daughter-in-law and
from French friends I have.  Glad to have confirmation that
my hearing is not at fault   :)

> Not that /ɥi/ never happens, but it's affected and
> somewhat childish, and certainly not standard. /wi/ is
> definitely the standard pronunciation.

[ɥi] is what _huit_ /ɥit/ becomes words beginning with
consonants.

> A non-standard form that is much more common than /ɥi/
> (to the point of having its own standard spelling) is
> _ouais_ /wɛ/.

I've known that one for the past half-century   :-)

> As for its origin, it comes from Old French _oil_
> /o.il/: "yes", a contraction of _o il_ (basically: "yes
> him". It used to have alternatives like _o je_ and _o
> vos_), itself from Vulgar Latin _hoc ille_ (or maybe _hoc
> illud est_: "that is so"). So that /w/ comes from /o/.

Yep.

-- 
Ray
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