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CONLANG  November 2012, Week 3

CONLANG November 2012, Week 3

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Re: V Latin Sound Change

From:

Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:55:59 -0600

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On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Roger Mills wrote:

> --- On Wed, 11/14/12, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> In Spanish, I believe /w/ sounds normally come either from the "breaking"
> of an original /o/ into /ue/ or from qu- and gu- followed by a non-front
> vowel.  Borrowed words with initail /w/ are normally "hardened" to /gw/.
> =======================================================
> 
> Actually, Germanic /w/ > Span. /gw-/ only preceding /a/-- I can't recall offhand any cases of Germ. /wo-/ or /wu-/ loans in Span.  
> 
> Right about the /o/ (actually VL /O/ IIRC) > /ue/ [we], then spelled hue...., as in hueso 'bone', huevo 'egg' etc. Not so sure about _all_ borrowed w's > [gw]-- we have things like the Mexican language names Nahuatl and Huichol; but OTOH aguacate 'avocado'; and modern guacamole, pronounced at least in Engl as "[wakamole]"- not sure how Mexicans pronounce it.....
> 
> I recall seeing things like "guenos dias, guevo" et al. in works by Lope de Vega and other Golden Age writers, apparently trying to write some dialect or other
> 
> Someone mentioned French "ou-" in loans from Arabic etc., seen in one of my favorite words, Ouagadougou, the former (?) capital of Mali. I believe older borrowings in Fr. had (written) "w" > v, as in "le w.c." [l@ ve.ce], "wagon lit" [vagO~li] 'sleeping car'; but recent borrowings seem to have [w] le weekend etc.(I could be wrong...)
> 
> It's a bit strange that VL v and b merged only in Spanish , not in Fr. or Ital., nor in Port. (if I'm not mistaken). Don't know about Romanian or Catalan....
> 
> I did once have an Italian teacher who tended to pronounce Engl. /w/ as [gw] (the g may actually have been more of a [G]-- but only in certain words, like 'woman'.

Also in Spanish, there is at least [sw] in words like _suave_, deriving from a Latin /w/. I'm not sure if if remained after any other consonants, but I know there are some words where post-consonantal, pre-vocalic /w/ just drops. (In _costumbre_ < _consuetudine(m)_ the glide and the following vowel both drop.)

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