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Re: Hello

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Sai <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Separately: Matthew Merlo, if I may offer you some very practical,
direct advice:

You want to flesh out your world with languages. That's a great thing,
and I applaud you for thinking of this kind of depth.

You can of course learn to conlang yourself, and people on this list
routinely help people who want to do so and have the motivation and
time to learn, simply for the love of the craft. The people on here
range very widely in skill, from raw novice to decades of experience
backed by advanced degrees in linguistics.


It takes dedication and skill to learn, though, and it seems like you
want someone to do it for you. If that's the case, you're going to
have to hire someone. They're probably* not going to do it for you for
free, because they spend their free time working on their *own*
languages.

(* I should point out an exception for the 'not for free' bit that you
might also find instructive: http://akana.conlang.org.

It's an active group project where many individual conlangers are
working together to build a single world, including ancestor and
related languages, etc., all as a volunteer effort. If you can
motivate people in a similar way, you might likewise find volunteer
collaborators.)


The LCS can definitely help you find that special someone, but  the
first questions you need to be able to answer are: (a) what's your
budget? and (b) what scope of work do you need? (Mind that a & b have
to realistically match; if you want more than you can afford, you'll
have to make some sacrifices, or learn to do it yourself.)

See http://jobs.conlang.org/submit-a-job-listing if you want to do
this. David Peterson is the person who handles these requests for the
LCS right now (I used to be, but I don't have any day-to-day hand in
LCS operations any more), so if you have questions about how the LCS
job search operates, he's the one to ask.


My guess is that as a novelist, the languages will only appear
peripherally — names, a few phrases, stuff like that. Figure out how
much you want to say, in what languages. Have a list of people you
need named, quips you want expressed, sentences you want translated,
etc. At least an approximation.

A lot of it can be "faked", including the derivation from common
ancestor languages; this is what sketched naming languages are for
after all, and lowers the amount of time required considerably. If
you're not going to have extensive in-language dialogue or the like,
this is probably the way to go. A fair amount of skill is required to
do that well, though, and it's not lowered to zero; it's still a few
hundred dollars' worth of work at the very least.

Naturally, any conlanger you hire will be communicating with you about
what kind of aesthetic you're going for, how it would work together
with the culture, enhance the story, etc. As with any artistry, it's a
collaborative process, since the main point of this kind of work is to
express an aspect of the world's aesthetic. I don't know how much of
that you have, but the more coherently you can express both the
aesthetic vision and what you want to do in it, the better product
you'll get.

It might help you to write the novel *first*, using placeholders (just
like e.g. the Dothraki TV scripts used "[in Dothraki:] I'm going to
gut you!" or the like, and part of David's job was to figure out how a
Dothraki would express that sentiment, not just translate
word-for-word). It'd give you a better sense of exactly what you need,
and give your conlanger much better context for what aesthetic they're
aiming to portray.

If you want people to help you with conworlding overall, not just the
languages, we have plenty such folk here as well, but they're not
likely to go for a purely speculative "I might want to make a novel
with this, and I'm not paying anything" kind of proposal, because
(again) the people who have such skills tend to spend their time
fleshing out their own complex worlds. (See eg Mark Rosenfelder aka
Zompist, who has top notch skills in both conlanging & conworlding —
and spends them on his world Almea,
http://www.zompist.com/virtuver.htm)

Sincerely,
- Sai

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