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CONLANG  December 2012, Week 1

CONLANG December 2012, Week 1

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Re: Wulf and Eadwacer

From:

George Corley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:20:59 -0600

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (162 lines)

It's probably deliberately ambiguous.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Lēodum is mīnum     swylce him mon lāc gife;
> person.dat.pl is my.dat.pl  as-if him.dat one gift/sacrifice.s.acc
> give.subj.sing.3rd
>
>   willað hȳ hine āþecgan     gif hē on þrēat cymeð.
> will  they  him  serve/kill.pl.3rd  if he on/with threat/host/army/company
> comes.sing.3rd
>
>   Ungelīc is ūs.
> unlike     is  us.dat
>
>   Wulf is on īege,     ic on ōþerre.
> Wolf/a-wolf is on an-island, I on other
>
> 5 Fæst is þæt ēglond,     fenne biworpen.
> fast is that island, fens.dat surrounded
>
>   Sindon wælrēowe     weras þǣr on īge;
> they-are slaughter-cruel men there on island
>
>   willað hȳ hine āþecgan     gif hē on þrēat cymeð.
>
>   Ungelīce is ūs.
>
>   Wulfes ic mīnes wīdlāstum     wēnum *hogode,
> wolf.gen   I   my.gen  long-journeys.dat.pl hopes.dat.plthought.1st.sing.past
> *hogode is an correction of the original dogode, a hapax legomena that some
> critics think might mean "dog" or "follow."
>
> 10 þonne hit wæs rēnig weder     ond ic rēotugu sæt,
> when   it   was rainy weather and I weeping sat
>
>   þonne mec se beaducāfa     bōgum bilegde,
> then me the battle-strong    arms/limbs.dat.pl enclosed.3rd.sing.past
>
>   wæs mē wyn tō þon,     wæs mē hwæþre ēac lāð.
> was    me.dat joy to that   was me.dat however also pain/sorrow
>
>   Wulf, mīn Wulf!     wēna mē þīne
> Wolf, my wolf!        hopes.nom me.acc thy.nom
>
>  sēoce gedydon,     þīne seldcymas,
> sick    made, thy.nom  seldom-comings.nom
>
> 15 murnende mōd,     nales metelīste.
> being-fearful mind,      not-at-all lack-of-food
>
>   Gehȳrest þū, Ēadwacer?     Uncerne eargne hwelp
> Hear.2nd.sing.pres  you, Property-watcher?   Our
>  vile/wretched/filthy/cowardly.acc child/whelp.acc
>
>  bireð wulf tō wuda.
> bears.3rd.sing.pres   a-wolf/Wolf to wood
>
>   Þæt mon ēaþe tōslīteð     þætte nǣfre gesomnad wæs,
> That   one  easily cuts-apart.3rd.sing.pres   that never gathered/united
> was
>
>  uncer giedd geador.
> Our song together.
>
> So, some stabs at English:
>
> To my people it is as if he were a sacrifice/gift:
> Will they welcome/kill him if he comes with an army/entourage?
> or
> They will welcome/kill him if he comes with an army/entourage.
> It is different to us.
> Wolf/a wolf is on an island.  I am on another.
> That island is a fortress, surrounded by fens.
> There are slaughter cruel men on the island(1)
> Will they welcome/kill him if he comes with an army/entourage?
> or
> They will welcome/kill him if he comes with an army/entourage.
> It is different to us.
> Thoughts of my Wolf's long journeys dogged my hopes????
> When it was rainy weather, and I sat weeping.
> Then the battle-strong limbs enclosed me.
> It was joy to me, but also pain.
> Wolf, o my Wolf, it was hopes that sickened me,
> Your seldom coming, a fearful mind, not starvation.
> Do you hear?
> or
> Hear!, Eadwacer/Warden.  A wolf/Wolf takes our cowardly/wretched/unlucky
> child/whelp
> To the woods.
> One may easily tear apart what was never whole:
> Our song together.
>
> So, as to ambiguity:  Whose arms enclosed the speaker?  Is Eadwacer a
> person or a title?  Is the whelp Eadwacer's and the speaker's, the or the
> child of Wolf?  Is he carrying it to the woods to make it an outlaw or to
> kill it?  Is he an outlaw?  Which island has the savage men?  Will Wolf be
> welcomed, or killed?  Does the narrator *want* Eadwacer to do something
> about Wolf taking the child?  Is it Wolf, or a wolf?  *Is the narrator even
> a human being, or is this a riddle about wolves???*
>
> I love the poem, it's one of my favorites next to Deor, but wow, is it hard
> to wring sense out of.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I could do an interlinear translation of it, perhaps, when I have a
> > minute, with some footnotes.  It'll be thumbnail and shot from the hip,
> so
> > not exactly up to scholarly rigor, but it'd be a way to get started.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:16 PM, George Corley <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > There's more than a few possible translations of this poem.  It's a
> >> > nightmare of ambiguity.  Still, might be a fun exercise just *because*
> >> of
> >> > that ambiguity, as translating it always involves taking a stand.
> >> >
> >>
> >> The issue is, if it's that ambiguous, we'd have to translate it from the
> >> original.  My Anglo-Saxon is pretty much non-existant, and I don't know
> >> how
> >> many of us on here are really capable of handling ambiguous translations
> >> from the language.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> > order from Finishing Line Press<
> http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm> and
> > Amazon<
> http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2
> >.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> order from Finishing Line
> Press<
> http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
> and
> Amazon<
> http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2
> >.
>

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