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CONLANG  December 2012, Week 1

CONLANG December 2012, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Paid contractor vs Artistic collaborator and other nonsense (was Re: Hello Luv!)

From:

Matthew Merlo <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 6 Dec 2012 19:33:11 -0500

Content-Type:

text/plain

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George Corley 

You mistake having an opinion and not tolerating ignorance, dishonesty, insults. and letting his words be twisted, with having respect for the skill itself. You could be superman and do tons of great things. That doesn't mean that what you say or why you do something is respectable. The sheer fact that I'm here at all and asking for such help shows that you are wrong because someone who didn't care wouldn't bother with seeking you out and they definitely wouldn't put up with the amount of stuff i've put up with from you. Nor would they respond or call you out on any of it.


No I did not say that I think that all of you are interesting in paid work. However that is what we are talking about here. Keep on topic. David presented the argument that people shouldn't work for free and then said the more of it out there the more popular it gets and thus more work and the second part is true, but does not follow from the first. While should is still up for debate, should not is antithetical to that goal.

If people want to work on their own worlds and not anyone elses' I understand, but I am not talk to them and why would I? They, and, ifyou are one these people, you, are not who I am talking to and you knowing this are must have some other motivation for confronting me and while there are many reasons that could be none are positive so I wouldn't be proud of myself if i were you.


I do not consider "any" small change of wording to be deliberate, however, doing it constantly and calling attention to it you make known it is deliberate and as it is deliberate it becomes obvious that you are trying to make it sound like I am saying something I am not. I have said with every single time. Considering, I have also described the relationship I am proposing and I am not offering money usage of the word for is wrong. Perhaps you are hung up on trying to get it twisted to for because for implies monetary exchange and hierarchical relationship. You make it even more clear your intent to twist what I say by the beginning of your next paragraph, "Even assuming this is an equal collaboration..." which shows that I'm actually right in what I'm saying about you and your deliberate twisting.

As to the points raised in that paragraph. What is agreed upon does not concern you and is only of concern to me and whoever I work with, but more importantly I have already explained what I am looking for and what "limitations" might be. Those limitations are what occur in every design. Certain elements dictate certain other elements and thus limit them. Anyone with any sense of continuity already knows thus and again I wouldn't want to work with someone who doesn't understand this or wouldn't be willing to work with considering those elements.




As to what is language... the article you present as the qualities that language must have and then you say quickly after they don't is idiotic. I'm not call you or the writer idiots, but that article is idiotic and is a product of the thinking that is no longer considered proper when discussing things. It hits the nail on the head with "Language is about communication" which is funnily 9 on the list. He then goes on to go "Well how do humans around me communicate." That's a fallacy (don't know which one but i know it is one) What he is talking about is Human Language which is a subset of Animal Language which is a subset of Language. This very same thing happened in many other fields where once upon a time people were like "This is what this is and this how we can tell" and then they found something that was that thing and didn't fit their list of check offs and or they found things that DID meet their list of check offs but noone in their right mind would call it that.

In the end, if it is a human centric line of thinking or what we know line of thinking then it is most likely a bad definition and an inaccurate line of thinking.

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