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Re: Sample Yardish Sentences

From:

Leland Paul Kusmer <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 2 Dec 2012 23:02:30 -0800

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First of all, this is your language: If you want the words to come in a
particular order, just be consistent and explain what the pattern is.

For any word-order you could construct, there's at least one natural
language that does it. But there are trends as to which are more common.
Here's a chapter from the World Atlas of Language Structures on word order:

http://wals.info/chapter/81

The WALS in general (wals.info) is a great resource for information about
the world's languages, but I'm not sure how well your screen-reader will
fare – it tends to have a lot of maps, graphs, etc.

And that's just thinking about subject, verb, and object. There are lots of
other categories – adverbs, adjectives, prepositions (or postpositions),
and more. You'll want to learn a bit about all of these and think about how
they fit together.

-Leland


On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> That what I thought too, but it doesn't have to be. I took French in high
> school and at Community college, and noun comes first was confusing. What
> other sentence orders are there, where can I find some info. I'm now
> thinkng the ver could come first.
>
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> Pen Name Mellissa Green
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>
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> blog
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> www.theworldofyemora.**wordpress.com<http://www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com>
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leland Paul Kusmer" <[log in to unmask]
> >
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:50 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Sample Yardish Sentences
>
>
> Languages can put the words in their sentence in many different orders. In
> English, we tend to put the subject first, the verb next, and the object
> last. This is a bit of a simplification, but in many simple sentences the
> verb is the action, the subject is the thing or person doing that action,
> and the object is what the action is affecting. You can always test whether
> one of the nouns in the sentence is the subject or not by replacing it with
> "she" or "her": If it's the subject, you will have to use "she" (but won't
> be able to use "her"); if it not the subject, you won't be able to use
> "she" (but will be able to use "her").
>
> This is only one of the aspects of word order, too. There are many other
> parts of the sentence that can be put in different orders. For instance, in
> English we put adjectives before the noun ("red house"), but in French you
> usually put the noun first ("maison rouge", or "house red").
>
> When I tried to give an interlinear for your sentence, I assumed that
> Yardish had the same word order as English. Was I correct? Is that what you
> intended?
>
> -Leland
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  What do you mean by order, where the verbs go? Thanks for the
>> clarification of interliniar, and being so accomodating in regards to my
>> screen reader.
>>
>> Emerging poet
>> Pen Name Mellissa Green
>> Budding novelist
>> tweet me
>>
>>
>>
>> GreenNovelist
>>
>> blog
>>
>>
>> www.theworldofyemora.**wordpre**ss.com <http://wordpress.com><http://www.
>> **theworldofyemora.wordpress.com<http://www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com>
>> **>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leland Paul Kusmer" <
>> [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: Sample Yardish Sentences
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello –
>>
>> Thanks for the example sentences, but without interlinear these don't tell
>> us very much. An interlinear is something that tells us how you get
>> between
>> the English and the Yardish by breaking the Yardish down into smaller
>> pieces. I'm going to take one of your examples and make my best guess at
>> what the appropriate interlinear would be like, so that you can see what
>> we
>> mean. I'm going to do this in two forms. The first form is what we're used
>> to seeing, but your screen reader might not make it clear what I've done,
>> so then I'll switch to another form that might be clearer.
>>
>> The basic idea of an interlinear is to write out several lines with the
>> elements lined up vertically, so what we can see which correspond. Your
>> first line would be your Yardish, but with it broken up into the smallest
>> relevant units. The second line would just tell us the English meaning of
>> each of those units. The third line would give us the actual English
>> (which
>> we usually call the "smooth" English).
>>
>> So, for instance, your Sample B would probably be like this (I've added
>> the
>> word "end" after every line to make sure your screen reader doesn't just
>> run them together):
>>
>> luve arhae nue nepay - ez  (end)
>> she  have  no   friend - plural (end)
>> "She has no friends." (end)
>>
>> I'm going to do this in a different form now, just to make sure your
>> screen
>> reader gets it across. I'm going to take the first two lines (the ones
>> that
>> aren't the smooth English) and write them out as columns, so that you can
>> hear which words are aligned in the interlinear above. Again, I've put the
>> word "end" after each row:
>>
>> luve she (end)
>> arhae have (end)
>> nue no (end)
>> nepay friend (end)
>> - - (end)
>> ez plural (end)
>>
>> I should say that my interlinears above are really just my best guess – I
>> don't know anything about Yardish. You haven't told us things like what
>> order the words in the sentence come in, so it's possible that I've gotten
>> the wrong idea. You should go through and write interlinears for all of
>> the
>> sample sentences you sent, though – it's good practice for making sure
>> that
>> your thinking about your own language is clear, and will help us be able
>> to
>> make comments on what you've done.
>>
>> -Leland
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi, guys, these probably won't be the end result of the sample sentences
>>
>>> I'm going to send throught.
>>>
>>> Sample A
>>>
>>> She lives in the abandonded building.
>>> Yardish:
>>> Luve broxla ushana nae abance revtae.
>>> Sample B
>>> She has no friends.
>>> Yardish:
>>> Luve arhae nue nepayez.
>>>
>>> Sample C
>>> She is nice.
>>> Yardish:
>>> Luve shile deszet.
>>>
>>> Sample D
>>> Parls are jewelry.
>>> Yardish:
>>> Larsex hace jullwe.
>>> Sample Grammar Rules
>>> 1
>>> Plurals are formed with the suffix ez.
>>> 2
>>> Adjectives are formed with the prefix rai.
>>> 3
>>> Possessives are formed with the suffix zet.
>>> Emerging poet
>>> Pen Name Mellissa Green
>>> Budding novelist
>>> tweet me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> GreenNovelist
>>>
>>> blog
>>>
>>>
>>> www.theworldofyemora.**wordpre**ss.com <http://wordpress.com><
>>> http://www.**theworldofyemora.wordpress.com<http://www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com>
>>> **>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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