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Re: OT: YAEPT–"T"-ing Off

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:41:53 -0500

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On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Brian Woodward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> According to the Language Log (thank you Alex Fink for the link) this "t"
> usage is predominant in the Mid-Atlantic/New England areas (as professed
> below by Padraic as well). However, it seems strange that the statistics
> (from Bill Kretzschmar via Language Log) explicitly exclude Virginia which
> is whence my wife hails, and she and all her kin use this "t".
>

Do her kith use the "t" too? lol

stevo

>
> Brian
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > --- On Wed, 12/5/12, Brian Woodward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > First I have a quick question before
> > > I get to my actual question. The word whence; when used does
> > > it require the use of the word from. E.g. "…whence it
> > > came" or "…from whence it came"?
> >
> > I've always understood "from when it came" to be a sort of mock-high-
> > archaic style. In its defence, I think it is a better prosodic fit than
> > "whence it came". Compare the following:
> >
> > x       x        x        x       x         x         x
> > Go thou foul and fiendish beast | back from whence ye came!
> >
> > x       x        x        x       x    x         x
> > Go thou foul and fiendish beast | back whence ye came!
> >
> > But "whence" all by itself already means "from where", so twould be be
> > redundant to say, in effect, "from from where".
> >
> > > Okay, on to my actual question. Has anyone noticed in
> > > colloquial English speech (Southern American) the addition
> > > of a *t* at the end of certain words? E.g. Close(t)est and
> > > across(t). I've noticed that my wife along with several
> > > other "Southerners" do this and I can't seem rationalize it
> > > in any way. Might any of you have heard this and have some
> > > explanation?
> >
> > I have, though never from a Southerner. My father was from central NY and
> > always had "oncet" and "acrosst". I think this is also typical of
> > Pennsylvania Dutch English -- every touristy guide you can lay hands on
> in
> > Lancaster and environs talks about "wunst" or "onc't" as typical of the
> > dialect.
> >
> > So, you've heard it among southerners, I've heard it among northerners
> > and PA Dutch -- maybe it's a pretty widespread phenomenon?
> >
> > Padraic
> >
> > > Brian
> >
> >
>

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