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CONLANG  December 2012, Week 1

CONLANG December 2012, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Paid contractor vs Artistic collaborator and other nonsense (was Re: Hello Luv!)

From:

Matthew Merlo <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:32:40 -0500

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@George Corley
I would ask a random street artist that. They may say no, but I would highly doubt it has anything to do with limitations that I might place on them or them wanting money. It more likely would have to do with some preconceived notion about the medium and what it would require them to work with. Provided that I could convince them they could use the same medium they are working with bring as few limitations as possible to the table more than likely they'd agree to at the very least hear me out or give it a try. 

Another thing to keep in mind though when you are using the art analogy is that artistry is more accepted as valuable and to apply the analogy absolutely correctly you have to assume that everyone else outside of your very small community can't tell the difference between a stick man and the mona lisa. And just to rough up your ego just a little bit more. That is not something that could be claimed by any other "art" other than a very specific art who's name escapes me at the moment, and most people consider the artists in that category pompous, arrogant, scams, and not art at all. If draw people can most see the difference between a stick figure and liefeld and him vs Jim Lee and Jim Lee vs Rembrandt and Rembrandt vs DaVinci. If you take writing even though they don't know the mechanics the differences in style and whether it is at least competent writing or not can be seen and you can to some degree separate the levels into categories. Going to programming as someone brought up, which people don't generally think of art, the end user even though they don't understand it in most cases can tell the difference between a shoddy messy programmer/program, and a good one in 2 ways...looking at it which generally gives it away and running the program which tends to have problems if its bad. Conlanging on the other hand...I can make stuff up off the top my head, as can any child, and to your average viewers there is very little if any difference at all.

So the situation is more akin to me being blind and most of my audience being blind and only a few people outside of street artists can actually see and asking a street artist to draw me a sunset. The only word that I have that you drew a good sunset is your word and the word of, more than likely, other street artists.

The problem here is the absurdity of the situation. Why would blind people want a sunset drawn?
But it is also absurd of the street artists to be expecting that people will come around and ask to have sunsets drawn in the first place.

Of course that's where the analogy breaks down from being absurd yet possible to impossible which is that I am saying that if you want more people to come ask you to draw sunsets then you should draw sunsets for free and as often as you can because something I and others are doing could very well help to make people not blind and thus it is best for you and your community that you do this at least for right now. 

You can say that you don't believe because you not seen a cure from me, but you can't say that what I am saying is illogical or wrong.

Btw, you stress "work for" when I always have said "work with" you are doing this knowing there is a difference and given that I have shown to choose my words to try to represent what i mean faithfully. It is wrong of you to try to switch words like that. This switch in itself shows that you understand what I'm saying and are purposely twisting my words which only shows malice and willful ignorance. Given that, I have a lot worse words that I would say of you, and your type of thinking, but I I'm not going to say them, but let me be clear on this point. If you paid me I wouldn't let you and people like you anywhere near anything I was working on or people that I know. And if anyone did ever ask me about conlanging and for some reason I said anything positive about this place. I would make sure to point out that you, not the rest of this community, should never be tolerated. You and others probably think that's a bit much, but I view willfully ignorant people, such as you have shown yourself to be, as the main cause of all ills on the earth and I do not tolerate them. I am simply civil and intelligent enough to realize that even the most backward thoughts need uttering to show how wrong they are.



As to the simple languages. you don't call them languages. That's nice. Missing the point of language, but you go ahead and believe what you will.

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