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CONLANG  December 2012, Week 1

CONLANG December 2012, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Paid contractor vs Artistic collaborator and other nonsense (was Re: Hello Luv!)

From:

Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:07 -0600

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (94 lines)

If you had spent the time today you spent insulting and berating people on
this list writing a novel instead, you'd have written a very respectable
quantity.




On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Matthew Merlo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> @George Corley
> I would ask a random street artist that. They may say no, but I would
> highly doubt it has anything to do with limitations that I might place on
> them or them wanting money. It more likely would have to do with some
> preconceived notion about the medium and what it would require them to work
> with. Provided that I could convince them they could use the same medium
> they are working with bring as few limitations as possible to the table
> more than likely they'd agree to at the very least hear me out or give it a
> try.
>
> Another thing to keep in mind though when you are using the art analogy is
> that artistry is more accepted as valuable and to apply the analogy
> absolutely correctly you have to assume that everyone else outside of your
> very small community can't tell the difference between a stick man and the
> mona lisa. And just to rough up your ego just a little bit more. That is
> not something that could be claimed by any other "art" other than a very
> specific art who's name escapes me at the moment, and most people consider
> the artists in that category pompous, arrogant, scams, and not art at all.
> If draw people can most see the difference between a stick figure and
> liefeld and him vs Jim Lee and Jim Lee vs Rembrandt and Rembrandt vs
> DaVinci. If you take writing even though they don't know the mechanics the
> differences in style and whether it is at least competent writing or not
> can be seen and you can to some degree separate the levels into categories.
> Going to programming as someone brought up, which people don't generally
> think of art, the end user even though they don't understand it in most
> cases can tell the difference between a shoddy messy programmer/program,
> and a good one in 2 ways...looking at it which generally gives it away and
> running the program which tends to have problems if its bad. Conlanging on
> the other hand...I can make stuff up off the top my head, as can any child,
> and to your average viewers there is very little if any difference at all.
>
> So the situation is more akin to me being blind and most of my audience
> being blind and only a few people outside of street artists can actually
> see and asking a street artist to draw me a sunset. The only word that I
> have that you drew a good sunset is your word and the word of, more than
> likely, other street artists.
>
> The problem here is the absurdity of the situation. Why would blind people
> want a sunset drawn?
> But it is also absurd of the street artists to be expecting that people
> will come around and ask to have sunsets drawn in the first place.
>
> Of course that's where the analogy breaks down from being absurd yet
> possible to impossible which is that I am saying that if you want more
> people to come ask you to draw sunsets then you should draw sunsets for
> free and as often as you can because something I and others are doing could
> very well help to make people not blind and thus it is best for you and
> your community that you do this at least for right now.
>
> You can say that you don't believe because you not seen a cure from me,
> but you can't say that what I am saying is illogical or wrong.
>
> Btw, you stress "work for" when I always have said "work with" you are
> doing this knowing there is a difference and given that I have shown to
> choose my words to try to represent what i mean faithfully. It is wrong of
> you to try to switch words like that. This switch in itself shows that you
> understand what I'm saying and are purposely twisting my words which only
> shows malice and willful ignorance. Given that, I have a lot worse words
> that I would say of you, and your type of thinking, but I I'm not going to
> say them, but let me be clear on this point. If you paid me I wouldn't let
> you and people like you anywhere near anything I was working on or people
> that I know. And if anyone did ever ask me about conlanging and for some
> reason I said anything positive about this place. I would make sure to
> point out that you, not the rest of this community, should never be
> tolerated. You and others probably think that's a bit much, but I view
> willfully ignorant people, such as you have shown yourself to be, as the
> main cause of all ills on the earth and I do not tolerate them. I am simply
> civil and intelligent enough to realize that even the most backward
> thoughts need uttering to show how wrong they are.
>
>
>
> As to the simple languages. you don't call them languages. That's nice.
> Missing the point of language, but you go ahead and believe what you will.




-- 
Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
order from Finishing Line
Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
and
Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.

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