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CONLANG  December 2012, Week 1

CONLANG December 2012, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Hello

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:28:47 -0800

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First let me say up front, about knowing yourself and your limitations and
not really being up to the task of making a language and so forth: I truly
respect that honesty. I find absolutely no reason why an author MUST
be his own conlanger, any more than he ought to be expected to draw his
own maps and paint his own cover illustration. As I say below, I don't know
the nature of your project, or how well formed it is at this stage, but it
looks to me like you've at least decided that the language creation aspect
of the work is something you don't want to deal with, and I get that! I
think that is a decision most of us can readily understand and respect. I
would never reject the idea of a writer teaming up with a conlanger in
order for the latter to produce a language to help the former with his
story. For an author who doesn't have the ability to make a language to 
ask a conlanger's help just makes sense from an end product perspective.

Well, I'm not sure how his attitude is "disgusting"! Ten or eleven full
languages -- phonologies, grammars, lexicons, sample texts, scripts, 
perhaps even recorded sound samples -- is a lot of work, especially if
ongoing collaboration is required. Not insane, but certainly a lot, and
especially for one person. I think some of his gripe might be what appears 
to be your asking to hire a conlanger to make languages but don't seem to 
be offering any payment for said work. Maybe you think this is "just a
hobby" and we should work for free. I could have missed something, but 
I don't recall seeing any sort of offer in that regard.

Now I know that Garth also said that many conlangers work on a single
conlang for decades, and I tend to be the sort that mulls over a language
for years or decades before doing much with it. The recent output of
Avantimannish came after pushing me proverbial peas around the plate for
the last 20 years or so. But not everyone works this way, and there are
conlangers who can do ten languages in a much shorter span of time.

I don't know the nature of your project -- is this a serious attempt at a
great novel, or a comic series or a movie?? -- but I seriously recommend
you to the LCS: www.conlang.org. They do offer their services as a liaison 
between someone who's in the market for a conlang (or eleven!) and 
potential creators for those languages. I can also tell you that, barring 
your asking for  something for nothing, the amount of labor you're asking 
for is not cheap. If you're prepared to shell out something like $10k to
$12k for the package, you might find one or more serious takers!

And yes, that was thousands of dollars. Thousand dollars per language
is a pretty average going rate for a full language. A sketch with some
vocabulary and a few names or choice phrases, maybe $200 to $500. And I 
don't think that's an unreasonable sum or an unreasonable expectation. 
You're basically commissioning an artist to make a series of works of art. 
I think it's more than fair to justly compensate that artist for her work 
and her time.

Hopefully that didn't come across as "disgusting"!

Padraic

--- On Sun, 12/2/12, Matthew Merlo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Matthew Merlo <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [CONLANG] Hello
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 5:50 PM
> @Garth Wallace
> There is a fundamental problem with artists and the like
> that reject people proposing that they work with others.
> They seem to have this distasteful attitude that they can
> draw AND write... The truth is that most of them can't and
> the fact they think they can in most cases is quite
> insulting and a show of just how little they can judge their
> own abilities.
> 
> And while this is fine on an individual level the problem
> with it in the long run is that you end up with inferior
> quality overall of works especially as time goes on. To make
> a quality product in most cases requires collaboration of
> people and the fact of the matter is that it makes the world
> lose many potential works based on the sole reason of having
> a culture infatuated with the accumulation of money which
> has been divested from what it represents.
> 
> In general I find the whole attitude that you seem to have
> as disgusting, no doubt you think it's for reasons of some
> sort of not getting something for "free," and will likely
> keep this view, but I tell I think it is bad to have the
> attitude you seem to have for everyone and really wouldn't
> want to work with anyone that would espouse it.
> 


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