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CONLANG  December 2012, Week 3

CONLANG December 2012, Week 3

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Re: Systematic Minimal Grammar

From:

Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:53:30 -0800

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I have done a lot of machine parsing when writing various chat bots,
for example: http://fiziwig.com/ai/chatbot/chunking01.html
http://fiziwig.com/ai/chatbot/network01.html
http://fiziwig.com/ai/chatbot/fusion1.html
http://fiziwig.com/ai/parser/fuse.html
http://fiziwig.com/ai/parser/parse2.html

The intent here is very different.

I DO NOT want to extract the existing grammar from the corpus, but to
find ways to paraphrase the existing corpus in such a way that the
grammar extracted from that corpus is minimal.

Treebanks are useless because the point it to INVENT a grammar for a conlang.

I must be explaining myself very poorly because the replies so far are
all non sequiturs not really addressing what I'm trying to accomplish.

Perhaps I will re-think how I'm trying explain the idea and try
posting again after Christmas and after all my out-of-town company
leaves for home. :-)

--gary

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On 19 December 2012 16:06, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> AKA "parsing".
>

> This is, incidentally, exactly how you train a probabilistic natural
> language parser.
>
---
> This seems an extremely tedious project, ---
> To avoid the circularity of automatically parsing a native-language
> text and then automatically extracting a grammar from the automatic
> parse (which would be pointless since the extracted grammar would be
> essentially the same as the grammar already programmed into an
> automatic parser), you'd have to have hand-parsed text to start with,
> the making of which is itself a horribly labor intensive and
> error-probe process. Fortunately, reuseable treebanks already exist
> because NLP researchers don't like having to hand-parse their own data
> any more than conlangers would, and you could start with one of those.
-

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