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CONLANG  December 2012, Week 3

CONLANG December 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: USAGE: Generic pronoun for "I, here, this, my"?

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:25:14 -0200

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Now I'm getting to the conclusion that it's better to have two words,
one for "I, me" and another for "my, this, here, now, in my
situation":

kiei = I, me
kieu = my, this, here, now, in my situation/conditions

tioi = you
tiou = your, that, there, in your time, in your situation

liai = he/she/it
liau = him/her/its, ...

Até mais!

Leonardo


2012/12/10 Puey McCleary <[log in to unmask]>:
>                 This isn’t entirely what Leonardo is describing, but in
> Khlìjha there is definitely some sound symbolism in that many first person
> concepts (though not all of them) begin with a P- or have a –P- in them,
> and many second person concepts have a T-, and many third person have a K-.

Your P-T-K are my K-T-L. But now I realize that /k/ may be also
sound-symbolically related to 3rd person, so maybe a M-T-L system
would be more intuitive.

Is it just an impression of mine, or /k/ and /m/ really keeps
interchanging its symbolic ideas from one language to another? /m/ is
for 1st person in many languages and /k/ is for interrogative
pronouns/particle in Latin languages and Japanese ("Qual? Que? ka?"),
but /k/ marks 1st person in other languages (Austronesian,
proto-Germanic, and also /g/ in "ego") while /m/ marks interrogative
particles in Chinese (any other?).

BTW, is there any sound symbolism dictionary?

>
>                 For instance:
>
>
>
>                 Pú/pó – “I”
>
>                 Pus/per – “I/we who”
>
>                 Poxha – “We men”
>
>                 Pexhe – “We women
>
>                 Pei – “They here”
>
>                 Pé – “This time”
>
>                 Qìr pé / - oipil  – “Now”
>
>                 Poâ – “This place”
>
>                 Qìr poâ/ -ipoa  – “Here”
>
>                 – ipau “Hither”
>
>                 – ipeu “Hence”
>
>                 Poa/pi – “This”
>
>                 Poe – “My”
>
>                 Poel – “Our”
>
>                 Poaqing “In my”
>
>                 Poaqe – “In our”
>
>                 – iipi – “This in sight”
>
>
>
>                 This is parallel to:
>
>
>
>                 Tú/tó – “you”
>
>                 Tus/ter – “you who”
>
>                 Toxha – “You men”
>
>                 Texhe – “You women
>
>                 Tei – “They there”
>
>                 Té – “That time”
>
>                 Qìr té / - oital  – “Then”
>
>                 Toâ – “That place”
>
>                 Qìr toâ/ -atoa  – “There”
>
>                 – atau “Thither”
>
>                 – ateu “Thence”
>
>                 Toa/ti – “That”
>
>                 Toe – “Thy”
>
>                 Toel – “Your”
>
>                 Toaqing “In thy”
>
>                 Toaqe – “In your”
>
>                 – iita – “That in sight”
>
>
>
>                 And finally:
>
>
>
>                 Kú/kó – “They”
>
>                 Kus/ker – “they who”
>
>                 Koxha – “Those men”
>
>                 Kexhe – “Those women
>
>                 Kei – “They yon”
>
>                 Ké – “Yon time”
>
>                 Qìr ké / - oikul  – “later”
>
>                 Koâ – “Yon place”
>
>                 Qìr koâ/ -ukoa  – “Yon”
>
>                 – ukau “To yonder”
>
>                 – ukeu “from yon”
>
>                 Koa/ki – “yon”
>
>                 Koe – “His”
>
>                 Koel – “Their”
>
>                 Koaqing “In his”
>
>                 Koaqe – “In their”
>
>                 – iiku – “Yon in sight”
>
>
>
>                 This all looks very neat, but in practice there are
> irregular forms that crop up, some inflexions can only be used in some
> constructions, and sometimes generic words such as “a person” or “a man”
> are used in place of one of these third person forms.  But still, there is
> a hidden pattern.

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