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CONLANG December 2012, Week 4

Subject:

Re: velar series: where can it come from?

From:

Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:41:41 -0600

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OK, thanks all around.

one that struck me as obvious was *S > x. (there's also *f > x / _t in some
Dutch dialects.)

X\ also goes to x in Hebrew (following a general velar fricatives merge
with pharyngeal fricatives move), but i can never remember if this was an
actual sound change, or /x/ was merely the chosen pronunciation for
historical 'chet' in Modern Hebrew.

anyway, once you had /x/, i suppose to move back into the realm of plosives
you could do
x > G > g (> k)
all but the last step being part of Verner's law, of course.

still, a little roundabout. for the sake of my conlang i'm going to look a
little closer at /p/ > /k/ and /t/ > /k/.

matt


On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> --- On Sat, 12/22/12, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> i'm trying to think of how, in natlangs (or realistic conlangs), non-velar
> consonants can BECOME velar.
>
> i'm working on a hopefully realistic conlang, and i've got a velar series
> (just /k_h/ and /k/ and /x/) becoming glottal. however, i really don't want
> a big gaping hole in my phonology where velars used to be, and i'm
> wondering how i can fill it.
> ..........
>
> the only natlang example of this that i can think of is in Hawaiian where
> *t became /k/ after *k moved back to /?/. (i've heard that this might not
> even be so precise, and there's some colloquial dialect of Hawaiian -- or
> maybe i'm thinking of Samoan (or both) -- that lacks /k/ entirely, but i'm
> really not sure.)
> ===============================================
>
> It turns out that *k > ? or 0, then *t > k, is not uncommon in other
> Austronesian languages. Robert Blust has written a paper on the subject --
> it's hidden away in Project Muse, but I have a pdf copy that someone kindly
> provided me.
>
> anyone have suggestions?
>
> thanks
> matt
>

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