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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 1

CONLANG January 2013, Week 1

Subject:

Re: How to "grow" a conlang.

From:

Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 7 Jan 2013 10:39:34 +0100

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I don't know, how can this work for me.

I'm always starting from two different ends - pure grammar and pure
phonology, and then start matching them up by trying to create a lexicon.
I've never got far in creating lexicon, because, as an artlanging fan, I
love exceptions. And making exceptions suggests going at least one step
back, to a protolang where they still were rules. In case of Yanyarin it's
four steps back, but now I know precisely, why my words sound like I want
them to sound. As I'm still young, I can let myself not bother too much
about creating a conlang quickly, and focus on satisfying my tastes.

Well, that's how it works for me, at least )

Kolya


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Here's a random thought that occurred to me this afternoon:
>
> To create and evolve a conlang begin by translating 100 reasonably easy
> sentences.
>
> DO NOT write down your lexicon.
> DO NOT write down how your grammar works, or even any notes about your
> grammar.
> DO keep EVERYTHING in your head, and only those 100 sentences are committed
> to writing.
> DO NOT gloss the translations, only keep the conlang translation and the
> English original, since a gloss constitutes notes on how the grammar works.
> Such notes are forbidden.
>
> Each day, translate 10 new sentences. You may refer to your previous 100
> sentences to refresh your memory about lexicon or grammar, but you may not
> refer to anything else.
>
> After translating the day's 10 sentences, discard the oldest 10 sentence
> from the top of the list.
>
> If you know you once coined a particular word for an earlier translation
> but it's not in the most recent 100 sentences, if you can't remember it,
> coin a new word from scratch. Use it or lose it.
>
> You MAY keep older translations archived for later followup to trace the
> history of the language after the experiment has been completed, but YOU
> MAY NOT refer to any sentence more than ten days old when you are writing
> each day's new sentences. Nor may you peek at older sentences to refresh
> your memory.
>
> You may recycle an English original for re-translation only after the older
> translation has been discarded from the list and is no longer visible,
> preferably after it has been gone for a few days or a week.
>
> This procedure allows the conlang to be fluid and flexible. Nothing is ever
> "cast in stone", and when something changes there's no reason to have to go
> back and revise earlier documents. There are no earlier documents, except
> those archived purely for historical reasons, and those aren't expected to
> be just like the more recent versions. This eliminates inertia and
> discourages the persistence of ugly constructions just because it would be
> too hard to go back and change them.
>
> This could also be done as a collaborative conlang where the most recent
> 100 sentences are visible on the web page and the next sentence to be
> translated is visible only in English. Each participant would be limited to
> making some number of translations per day, and a maximum of ten new
> sentences would be exposed each day. That way one participant couldn't log
> in and re-write the whole conlang in one sitting, and no matter how many
> people participated, it would never happen that you find all 100 sentences
> are new since yesterday and the grammar you were familiar with is gone.
> Each time a participant translated the next sentence, the oldest sentence
> would disappear, and only the most recent 100 would ever show.
>
> For the collaborative version you would be allowed to keep notes on what
> you _think_ the grammar and lexicon are like, but you are not allowed to
> collude with other participants to turn the grammar or lexicon in a
> particular direction. Each participant must be a free agent.
>
> An alternative version would start with some smaller number of sentences
> visible, say 20. Each new translation would cause the oldest to be
> discarded so that no more than 20 would show. The grammar and vocabulary
> would start out being very volatile. Then, at certain intervals, say once
> every 10 new translations, the number of sentences allowed to show would
> grow by 1. After 100 translations, 30 sentences would show. Once 1000
> sentence had been translated the visible corpus would contain 120
> sentences. 1000 sentences after that it would have 220, and so on. As more
> sentences are translated, eventually the grammar and lexicon begins to
> stabilize and "mature", so that a longer reference corpus could be somewhat
> stable, but still allow for gradual evolution.
>
> If you are familiar with "simulated annealing"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_annealing this is similar in that
> the early (small) corpus allows radical mutation (analogous to "high
> temperature" in S.A.) and a larger corpus has more "mass" and a lower
> temperature in that it resists mutation (has begun to crystallize). Just as
> the aggregate corpus of the English Language (highly crystallized) resists
> mutation of the that language.
>
> In reading the description of simulated annealing just think "small corpus
> = hot = mutable", "large corpus = cold = frozen (or nearly so)".
>
> --gary
>

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