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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 2

CONLANG January 2013, Week 2

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Re: Derivation of depart, come, pass, go, arrive...

From:

Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:54:32 +0100

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On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> 2013/1/12 Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> > Not exactly what you asked, but in my Moten, "go" and "leave" (or indeed
> > "depart") are more than just derived from the same root: they are the
> same
> > verb! (the verb in question is _jagi_) In the same way, "come" and
> "arrive"
> > are the same verb as well: _juba|si_. The way it works is that there is
> no
> > special way it works: I haven't yet come across a single case where this
> > polysemy results in communication issues.
>
> Would "leave/depart" being properly described as "start [the process of]
> going"?
> And "arrive" as "completing [the process of] coming"?
>
> > Closer to what you want, but using another set of meanings, in Moten the
> > verbs "give", "receive", "take", "get", "bring", "put" etc. are all
> > rendered by two verbs that are nearly synonyms: _ja|zi|n_ and _joplej_.
>
> Similarly, maybe "receive" could be described as some kind of
> "complete transfer".
>
>
> 2013/1/12 Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>:
> >> Russian. u-hodit', pri-hodit', pro-hodit', hodit' (actually, to walk).
> >> Arrive is pri-byvat', from the root byt' - to be.
> >>
> >
> > And, by the way:
> >
> > vy-hodit - to exit, and AFAIK this word is derived form Greek ex-hodous,
> > composed by the same logic: out-going
> > v-hodit' - to enter (in-go)
> > pere-hodit' - to cross
> > s-hodit' - come down
> > vos-hodit' - come up, a bit archaic by now, used, for instance, do
> describe
> > inthronisation (come p on a throne)
> > is-hodit' - come out, a bit poetic now, in the context of some smell or
> > light coming form something. Should have been 'to leave' before.
> > za-hodit' - 'to come by' or 'to go behind'
> > na-hodit' - 'to find', seems to be used as 'to stick on it when going'.
> > Also, a bit archaic 'nahodili na nego tyazhkiye dumy' -
> > 'na-hodit'.PLUR.PAST over he.GEN heavy.PLUR.NOM thoughts.NOM' = 'the bad
> > thougts bothered him'/
> > pod-hodit' - 'to come close', and in modern language also 'to fit'
> > po-hodit' - not in this form, but may be used as 'use to be going'. Also
> > 'to be alike'.
> > do-hodit' - 'to reach', in familiar speech also 'to understand'.
> > ob-hodit' - 'to go around', also 'to avoid'.
> > pre-hodya-schiy - arch. temporary, ephemere (actually, pre- and pere- are
> > OCS and actual Russian versions of the same prefix)
> > pere-na-hodit' - though not really grammatical, but people will actually
> > undersatand it as 'find one more time'. Some other roots may take several
> > prefixes, like:
> >
> > yeh-al-i - they were going on some sort of transport
> > po-yeh-al-i - they went (by some sort of transport)
> > na-yeh-al-i - 'dirven over' or 'came in a big number' (usually of
> migrants)
> > po-na-yeh-al-i - 'they have been coming in big numbers (over recent
> time, I
> > suppose)'. One of the unofficial name for Moscow is 'Ponayehali-City'.
> > po-na-pri-ezzh-al-i - something like previous, but with some different
> > flavour I can't readily describe.
> >
> > So, basically, by choosing good prepositions, you may make pretty much
> with
> > a single root. ANADEW.
>
> Very interesting indeed!
>
> ---
>
> BTW, similar comments on "like" and "love" would be welcome. Do your
> conlangs have different words for them? And do you bother to
> distinguish "romantic/sexual love" from other types of love?
>

First of all, love and like come from different roots.

Second, Greeks did bother. Afaik, there was some seven different kinds of
love, including 'agape' for something like Platonic love, 'filios' for love
between relatives and 'eros'. But I think there are many people out there
who really know Greek, not just have heard of it like me.

Russian has a distinction between like and love. The latter is lubit',
cognate with English word. 'Like' would be a reflexive verb "nravit's'a",
derived from more or less archaic "nrav" - "character", with cognate modal
verb 'norovit' ' - 'to tend' applied to a verb in infinitive
describing most often something harmful. One may also use an adverb
'priyatno', like 'mne(I.DAT) priyatno'. This is more about "giving
pleasure, comfort". However using it to a person is now uncommon: 'ty mne
priyaten' = 'I like you' - perhaps because it is easy to misinterpret this
as 'ty nepriyaten' = 'you are annoying'. The root comes from 'pri-yati'
with the prefix 'pri-' and 'yati' - 'to take, to hold'. Maybe it's one more
idea to the pool of "good = mine".

Best,

Kolya

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