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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 2

CONLANG January 2013, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Neanderthals again

From:

BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:05:11 +0100

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On 2013-01-13 10:51, George Corley wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> --- On Sat, 1/12/13, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>> And how would you call people reserving the term "American" for
>>>> "US-American"?
>>>
>>>
>>> Narrow-minded and/or chauvinist.
>>
>> At the risk of going all NCNC, this is just silly. Stupid even.

NB that the question was

'And how would you call people reserving the term "American" for
                                ^^^^^^^^^
"US-American"?'

As long as you don't **reserve** the term to mean 'U.S. citizen'
I have no problem at all with _American_ 'U.S.', but if you go
claiming without qualification that a Chilean is not an American
it's another thing.  I'll willingly admit that the pragmatics
may be different if you are *in* the U.S., but "reserving" was
the operative word in my assessment.

<NCNC alert>
As for the analogous case with _Europe_ 'E.U.' there is the
added aspect that you close your mind and heart to those who
are now outside the pale, which IMO is not a good thing.
</NCNC alert>

  There is
>> no good reason why two people, one from the US and one from Chile can't
>> both use the same word (American) to mean two different things. I was
>> born in the US and can say with 100% confidence and 0% chauvinism that I
>> am "an American", and I expect that every educated and most uneducated
>> people in any country in the world will know this means "US American".
>>
>> I can also respect the Chilean who says, with equal confidence and equal
>> non-chauvinism, that he too is "an American". And I would expect any
>> educated person in the world (and perhaps a smaller number of uneducated
>> persons) to understand the broader (and indeed older) application of the
>> same word, i.e., person native to the American continent (in either its
>> northern or southern aspects).

All well and good, since then you don't *reserve* _American_ to 
mean one of the two!

>
>
> I often think of it in terms of different languages.

Certainly, or different countries even.  Us Swedes from
Sweden, myself included, make ourselves guilty of the same
thing on a regular basis, using _Swede/svensk_ to mean
'citizen/inhabitant of Sweden', excluding the ethnic Swedes
of Finland, and Finns of Finland certainly do the same WRT
Finns of Sweden and Norway. Swedes of Finland say _rikssvenskar_
'kingdom Swedes' to refer specifically to Swedes of Sweden,
but on our side we usually say _svenskar_ vs. _finlandssvenskar_.
OTOH those Finland Swedes who get ticked off when called "Finns"
are perhaps a bit too chauvinistic.

>  English "American" is
> much more likely to mean someone from the US, while Spanish "americano" is
> less so, whereas Spanish has some common disambiguating terms for people
> from the US: "gringo", "norteamericano"*, and "estadounidense".  Granted,
> "gringo" has a lot of other meanings, ranging from "foreigner" to "white
> person", and some people consider it offensive.
>
> *Of course, I have had a Mexican joke to me that he is also
> "norteamericano".  With some people you just can't win.

I wonder if most people include Greenlanders in _norteamericano_...

/bpj

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