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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 3

CONLANG January 2013, Week 3

Subject:

Re: logical language VS not-so-logical language (was RE: Loglan[g] VS Natlang)

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:04:25 +0100

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Hallo conlangers!

On Friday 18 January 2013 21:51:42 Padraic Brown wrote:

> --- On Fri, 1/18/13, Mathieu Roy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Yep.  The loglangs I have seen look very bland and technical; natlangs
> > > and naturalistic artlangs are far richer than those. Speaking a
> > > loglang is live living in an apartment without wallpaper, lit by
> > > naked light bulbs, and with furniture made of unpolished and unpainted
> > > pieces of wood coarsely nailed together.  It works, but there is no
> > > *fun* to it.
> > 
> > I'm not saying we should remove the paint and the wallpaper, I'm just
> > saying we should repair the plumbing and the holes in the wall.
> 
> Perhaps there really isn't anything wrong with the plumbing after all...
> 
> With all due respect, it's not my intention to get into a dreadful
> loglang v. natlang discussion. I said before I am no fan of loglangs or
> constructed auxlangs.

Nor am I.  I do not with to get into a loglang vs. natlang
discussion, and I am no fan of loglangs or constructed auxlangs,
either.  Both try to fix what isn't broken.

> I agree with the above: bland and technical.
> Asceptic even. Certainly no fun or mystery there! I think that no loglang
> does any better what a natlang can already do; and can't do some of what a
> natlang does by nature. So, I don't see much point in them.

Don't get me wrong; the idea of a logical language has its merits,
it is certainly interesting to explore it.  But what I have seen
so far looks so reduced to naked function that it drives the fun
out of it - hence my "apartment without wallpaper" analogy.
 
> Perhaps at this point you might consider taking this to Auxlang or some
> sort of loglang analog? I deleted a whole lot of your post, which might be
> better off over that way, since it really is more about loglang supremacy
> at the worst or advocacy at the very least.

Amen.  AMEN.

This is loglang advocacy and does not belong here.
 
> > FINAL THOUGHT: If there were no natural languages, how would you create
> > one and why?
> 
> If there were no natural languages, we wouldn't be able to create one,
> because we'd have no concept of language with which to create. We wouldn't
> even be talking about creating one, because we'd be simple, non-speaking
> languageless apes living in the forests of Africa somewhere.

WORD.  We'd be apes, nothing else.
 
> Final thought: I'm just going to reiterate my totally nonlogical assertion:
> no, it would not be a good thing for everyone to speak a loglang. It ain't
> broke, so why try to fix it? And leave the discussion at that.

Yep.
 
> Padraic

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