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CONLANG January 2013, Week 3

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Re: A Practice Conlang - For Your Enjoyment & Critiques

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"J. M. DeSantis" <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:41:07 -0500

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I know it was probably lost in the feed with all of these other 
conversations going, but would anyone mind looking over the post I made 
early on Saturday morning and offering some feedback?

Sincerely,
J. M. DeSantis
Writer - Illustrator

Official Website: jmdesantis.com <http://www.jmdesantis.com>
On 1/19/2013 5:54 AM, J. M. DeSantis wrote:
> Conlang List,
>
> First of all, I just want to warn and apologise about the length. I'm 
> listing all of the information here on a short, quick conlang exercise 
> I did, for those who are interested, so this message is going to be 
> quite long, in the end.
>
> That said, even though I'm behind on where I want to be in my script 
> for a Chadhiyana graphic novel (which I've started writing and is part 
> of the fantasy world, which includes many conlangs, I've been working 
> on and which. I also mentioned previously, I published a small preview 
> comic for the character, Chadhiyana), I was in the midst of creating 
> new names for some characters and had a startling revelation. Though 
> I've been coining new words and names, stumbling in the dark through 
> the process (seemingly), I realised I've never created a conlang from 
> (relative) start to finish. So I decided to take some time over the 
> past two days and create something new that I could coin some names 
> from and write a few sentences in. I wasn't concerned so much with how 
> the language sounded. Merely this was an exercise I took on to get 
> ideas on paper, commit to choices made, and build a working structure. 
> A sketch, so to speak. Practice. The exercise was both eye opening and 
> surprising. Some of the language, to me, sounds very good to my ear, 
> though, as usual with my conlangs, I find concentrating on the 
> language first results in awkward names. Whereas, creating names 
> first, makes the language difficult to build properly. (Anyone else 
> have this problem or know how to solve it?) But, first the language in 
> full. And note it *is* very small; I was just trying to build 
> something quick to put together a few sentences with, but I thought 
> I'd share it anyway. After that, perhaps a few more comments:
>
> PHONOLOGY:
> As in English: /B, D, K, L, M, N, P, T/
> F    *f*ar
> G    *g*et
> H    *h*orse
> R    trilled
> S    initially and finally say*s*. Elsewhere *s*even
> V    *v*ery
> W    *w*et
> I    initially before a vowel, *y*ore. Elsewhere, vowel i
>
> A    f*a*ther
> E    *e*ducate
> I    st*ee*l
> U    s*oo*n
> AI    st*a*ke
> EI    gr*ey*
>
> Word Order: SOV
> No definite or indefinite articles
> 2 noun classes: neuter & living things
> Neuter Endings: L, M, N
> Living-Things Endings: B, D, K
>
> Prefixes (for Morphology):
> atru-    multiple
> gei-    half
> teg-    true
> al-    inside
> eig-    non/un
> asa-    part of
> ain-    from/of
>
> NOUNS:
> beil    darkness/dark
> freb    tree
> tuk    man
> dad    woman
> grel    swamp
> vek    bird
> teb    beast/animal (non-bird)
> wud    fish
> mim    light
> krel    water
> ren    sky
> pak    fire (notice it's classified as a living thing)
> hib    earth (again, living thing)
> farn    blade
> sail    wheel
> aldad    child
> geivek    penguin (I don't know why, I really love that penguin means 
> "half bird")
> ainvek    egg
> ril    steel
> tegril    sword
> eigtuk    corpse
> tegdad    mother
> geifarn    knife/dagger
> ainhib    life
> atrufarn    fork
> atrutuk    community/society
> sed    ear
> gub    demon
> wreg    tale
> verun    time
>
> ADJECTIVES: (created by appending the suffix *it* to nouns)
> wilit    yellow
> ienit    green
> lalit    white
> krimit    black
> valit    red
> geivalit    orange
> tegwulit    blue
> wulit    purple
> mimit    gleam/shine
> eigmimit    dull
> rilit    strong
> dadit    caring
> aldadit    innocent
> tegmimit    pure
> tirnit    noble
>
> VERBS:
> Verbs are conjugated by person and tense. Tense is created by adding a 
> suffix to the root. Person by adding a prefix.
> Personal Prefixes:
> a-    he
> ai-    she
> i-    it
> li-    you
> uli-    you (all)
> ura-    they
> ira-    we
>
> Tense Suffixes:
> -ri    Present
> -rug    Past Perfect
> -tug    Past Imperfect
> -aw    Future
> -it    Imperative
>
> Root forms of verbs take the ending *agal* which is dropped during 
> conjugation.
> eigtukagal    to die
> dadagal    to give birth/to begin
> tegdadagal    to care
> tegrilagal    to fight/to wage war
> ainhibagal    to live
> renagal    to fly
> valitagal    to bleed
> wulitagal    to rage/to be angry
> beilagal    to sleep
> sedagal    to hear
> tainagal    to kill
> hinagal    to break/to destroy
> faimagal    to avenge
> brukagal    to be
>
> PRONOUNS (some):
> ugra    how
> fav    thus
> sego    this
>
> PREPOSITIONS:
> la    by
> hik    for
>
> MISC WORDS (which I added while doing the translation below):
> utu    all
> ug    it
> agr    her
> d    and
>
> TRANSLATION EXERCISE: (note, I may have messed up the grammar on the 
> end of the last sentence, but the sentence was so complex (as I tend 
> to write) I was uncertain of some of it's order--corrections on this 
> welcome)
>
> Sedit! Lisedri ugra Tegmimit Dad agr aldad aifaimrug la Grelgub 
> aitainrug d Krimit Tegril aihinrug, hik utu verun. Ibrukri tirnit 
> wreg. Fav idadri!
> Listen! Hear how the Pure Mother avenged her child by slaying the 
> Swamp Demon and broke the Black Sword, for all time. This is a noble 
> tale. Thus it begins!
>
>
> Now, I won't say this is the most wonderful language (or fragment of a 
> language, rather) ever created, however, the exercise was fun to do, 
> and it did produce some fun results. Some of the words I am not so 
> crazy about, and I really dislike the name Grelgub (even for a swamp 
> demon), but the other names are good, at least to me. But the exercise 
> still did not solve a few concerns which always make me uncertain 
> about what I'm doing: roots, word/name length and (as I alluded to 
> earlier) the fact that creating words first can create some abysmal 
> names, however, creating the language from names can create its own 
> set of difficulties (either forcing rules to change or hours of work 
> just on one name until it can be modified to fit the language's rules 
> well and still sound good to the ear). Word and name length is an 
> especial concern of mine because. An example of my concerns is: if a 
> root is two syllables, then add a one syllable prefix to modify it's 
> meaning, and then turn that noun into a verb with a two syllable 
> conjugated ending, you're talking about a five syllable word. The same 
> with compound names. A root word of two syllables becomes three with 
> an adjective--let's go with a prefix in this case. Add the two 
> syllable noun with it's extra single-syllable noun ending that the 
> adjective is describing and quickly you've coined a six syllable name. 
> Names such as that could certainly work in the languages of 
> Chadhiyana's culture (more Indian-based), however, once moving to the 
> more European-esque parts of the world, a name like that is just too 
> long. I feel it's too easy to have long names, and very, very, very 
> difficult (almost impossible) to have one or two syllable names (even 
> if using a single noun, as a classifier added to a root must produce 
> at least two syllables, making one syllable impossible). Anyone's 
> thoughts on this?
>
> Anyway, again, this was just a private exercise I took on. It's 
> nothing I'm planning to use, but, considering the nature of the list, 
> I thought I'd share it. Feel free to comment and offer some 
> constructive criticism. After all, feedback is perhaps the best way 
> for me to learn a thing or two. All the best.
>

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