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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 3

CONLANG January 2013, Week 3

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Re: So, about Ithkuil...

From:

John Q <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:49:45 -0500

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And. Rosta wrote:
>The most special bit of Ithkuil is the Content half (i.e. syntactic (semantically interpreted) form and its semantic substance). >The Expression half (i.e. phonological (phonetically interpreted) form and its phonetic substance) is simply driven by the >goal of compactness, overriding considerations of speakability and learnability.
>
>I think it could make sense for real-world would-be Ithkuil-users to do the following:
>
>(1) Devise a nonphonological "algebraic" (e.g. Geek-code-like) notation for Ithkuil Content.
>(2a) Devise an ergonomic phonology
>(2b) Devise an ergonomic morphology (e.g. taking into account learnability as well as compactness)
>(2c) Define rules for translating (2b) into (1) (and vice versa)
>
>(2c) would ensure the result was a true version of Ithkuil, but (2a-b) would make it more usable.
>
>A different but related point: I've turned over in my mind the idea of devising a derviational morphological system in >Livagian that takes the Content of Ithkuil words and gives them morphological expression in Livagian, while preserving >Livagian syntax and inflectional morphology. I doubt I'll ever implement the idea, but I like the idea that in principle the >Livagian lexicon could have the expressive power of Ithkuil (by virtue of having incorporated Ithkuil's map of semantic >space).
_______________________________________

That's quite a compliment, And., that you would consider basing aspects of Livagian on Ithkuil.  I'm honored.

You and Alex are quite correct that the phonological and morpho-phonological component  of Ithkuil is completely separable from Ithkuil morphology, lexico-morphology, and (morpho-)syntax.  That is how I was able to redesign the original version of Ithkuil into Ilaksh so quickly (in less than a year) and to redesign it again into the 2011 version of Ithkuil.

I have often given thought to privately creating a version of the language which would be phonologically beautiful but, as you and Alex point out, I would be completely giving up phonological compactness.  The language would become quite long-winded.

In fact, if there were enough conlangers interested, it might be a fun challenge for conlangers to figure out new morpho-phonologies for Ithkuil that do make it more learnable (e.g., splitting up the 5-morpheme "Ca" affix into more manageable chunks) and to submit them for either my approval or an at-large vote as to which one should be considered the "official alternative" manifestation of Ithkuil.  This is essentially what I did with the Ilaksh design, but I ended up dissatisfied with it due to its limited phoneme inventory and its over-reliance on tones.  Plus, Ilaksh words, while easier to pronounce than the original Ithkuil, weren't really any "prettier"-sounding (in my opinion).

--John Q.

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