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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 3

CONLANG January 2013, Week 3

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Re: So, about Ithkuil...

From:

John Q <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:10:00 -0500

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Danny wrote:
>However, it occurs to me that your definition of "poetic" and the poetic
>appeal of the single utterance encompassing a complicated scene can only
>exist when Ithkuil is contrasted to other languages. If we posit a
>community of native Ithkuil speakers (who can use the language to its
>fullest extent), the football commentary would not be poetic at all. It
>would be business as usual. So I wonder: what would a *native Ithkuil
>speaker* consider poetry? Or "poetic?"
>
>Having followed this thread, I understand that you doubt such a speaker
>community could exist. But I am still interested to hear your thoughts on
>the matter!
_________________________________________

Hah! I think you got me. To tell you the truth, I don't believe I've ever considered what "poetry" would consist of to a hypothetical native-Ithkuil speaker. I'm inclined to agree with you that any argument in support of Ithkuil poetry succeeds only relative to other languages.

I guess, then, that Ithkuil speakers would resort to using other languages for their poetry, which certainly isn't unheard of among human cultures. And since I created the damn thing, I hereby declare that for Ithkuil speakers, that other language is Brazilian Carioca Portuguese! (Because of its sheer phonological beauty!) ;-D

****

Although, now that I consider it further, another line of thought comes to mind. The fact that I now believe full fluency in Ithkuil is probably unattainable, doesn't that in itself render the language available for the very sort of poetry I described? What I mean is that, since I'm saying no speaker of Ithkuil would likely be able to come up on the fly with the football announcer's single word description of the play I described, this is analogous to saying that no random speaker of a natlang can instantly come up with good poetry in their own language. So the community of "shallow-Ithkuil" speakers (to resort to the earlier "Deep Ithkuil" metaphor) would in turn consider the ability to craft such "Deep-Ithkuil" one-word or brief descriptions of complex scenes or ideas as their equivalent to poetry, eh?

--John Q.


--John Q.

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