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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 3

CONLANG January 2013, Week 3

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Re: Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis (was RE: logical language VS not-so-logical language (was RE: Loglan[g] VS Natlang))

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:02:42 +0100

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Hallo conlangers!

On Saturday 19 January 2013 18:43:58 Gary Shannon wrote:

> I believe that the opposite it true. We create words for things that
> are important to us. It happens every day in the sciences, especially
> biology and biochemistry. When some new organic compound becomes
> important, instead of calling by it's chemical formula, a name is
> created. The compound did not become important because it has a name,
> it has a name because it became important.

Yes. When something is important to us, we create a word. When
something becomes very important to us, we create a shorter word.
So a "carriage propelled by an engine built into it" became an
"automobile" and later a "car".

> But then, speaking as a non-linguist, I think Sapir-Whorf is a
> questionable hypothesis. It really doesn't make a lot of sense to me,
> because thought is non-verbal. When we "think in words", we are not
> "thinking", we are reiterating what we have already thought without
> words.

I think you are correct.
 
> If you don't believe that, next time you catch yourself "thinking"
> with a sentence, stop yourself mid-sentence, and you will discover
> that you DO know what the sentence was going to say, even though you
> did not complete the mental uttering of the sentence.

Right.

> And you know
> what the last word of the of the sentence was going to be long before
> you silently repeated that word to yourself. The words of the sentence
> were put together to repeat the thought to yourself, but the thought
> existed before the words.

And often you have a thought and are struggling for the right
word for it. If thought was in a language, one could not think
about what you don't know the word for. Also, as someone who
masters two languages well to the point of being almost equally
fluent in both, I sometimes remember a train of thought I have
read somewhere, but do not remember in which language I read it!

All this is evidence that language *reflects* thought rather than
determining it.

--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"BÍsel asa …am, a …am atha cvanthal a cvanth atha …amal." - SiM 1:1

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