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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 3

CONLANG January 2013, Week 3

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Re: So, about Ithkuil...

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:56:27 -0500

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Ithkuil may be learnable by computers or enhanced humans. It's too soon to
give up on it yet.

stevo

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:50 PM, John Q <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I've been quoted in the past as saying I thought Ithkuil would be
> learnable with years and years of intense study and practice. But what I
> now believe is that Ithkuil is potentially learnable ONLY to an extent of
> fluency commensurate with natural languages. In other words, one could,
> through long and intense study, be able to speak Ithkuil sentences that
> share a more-or-less one-to-one correspondence with sentences from natural
> languages in terms of lexico-semantic and morpho-syntactic complexity.
> However, speaking Ithkuil in such a manner pretty much defeats the purpose
> of the language. Ithkuil is designed to allow a speaker to use its
> morphology to be able to transparently craft words and sentences to
> succinctly express thoughts, ideas, concepts, and describe complex
> situations that do not exist in natural languages and would require whole
> paragraphs to be able to paraphrase (which is why I think it would be great
> for poetry). This can be illustrated by the following example:
>
> Imagine an American football game being watched by a stadium full of
> Ithkuil speakers. The runner is doing some fancy footwork (shifting
> back-and-forth in an unpredictable pattern) that is so fast the opposing
> defenders miss their tackles. However, the runner is also beginning to
> stumble as he runs. Nevertheless, his stumbling does not prevent him from
> getting to the end-zone and scoring a goal. How could the announcer
> describe what just occurred? With a single word:
>
> ˇegwapskhanišpams
>
> The above word is impossible to translate literally into English without
> resorting to long paraphrase but for the Ithkuil announcer (and audience)
> it would be a perfectly natural word to use in describing what has just
> occurred:
>
> APPROXIMATE TRANSLATION (capturing as much of the overtly expressed
> semantic content of the original as possible):
>
> "There’s some super-quick impossible-to-track shifting of
> direction/position going on by the runner, as he begins stumbling, yet it
> doesn’t stop him at all from reaching/scoring the goal."
>
> It took me about fifteen minutes to piece together the above Ithkuil word
> after first thinking about the "scene" I wanted to describe. A "100%
> fluent" speaker (e.g., the hypothetical sports announcer) would, in theory,
> be able to come up with such a word ON THE SPOT. It is THAT level of
> fluency which Ithkuil potentially allows, and it is THAT level of fluency
> which I now believe is unattainable. And because of this unattainability,
> the language fails as a workable, learnable language on its own terms; at
> best, it could be learned to express concepts only at a level more or less
> equivalent to other languages, in which case I see no point in bothering.
> Therefore, in my opinion, Ithkuil's only real benefit to the world is as a
> theoretical and (as Dr. Lakoff astutely observed) artistic
> construct/endeavor for contemplative purposes only.
>
> --John Q.
>

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