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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 4

CONLANG January 2013, Week 4

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Esperanto morphosemantics (was: Re: [CONLANG] So, about Ithkuil...)

From:

Melroch <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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You are certainly more knowledgeable than me about what 'affixy'
peculiarities some affixes may retain, but then again all morphemes in all
languages do have their peculiarities which are built into their semantics.
It would be interesting to see how the (degree of) affixness of a given
morpheme correlates with such things as its frequency or whether it was
originally an affix or not, and how it covaries with various demographic
factors, not to speak of how it has evolved over time.

As for fuzziness of the derivation~subordination boundary I mean the fact
that you seem to be able to do more and different things by tacking on _-a_
than you can by adjectivization in most languages (certainly most European
languages). At any rate it can certainly function as a genitive would in
the Indoeuropean and Uralic languages I'm familiar with; in particular it
reminds me of the Finnish genitive which is often used where even Latin
would have an adjective. I think this is a function of the fact that the
meaning of the Esperanto _-a_ and the Finnish genitive is a rather general
'related to', while adjective-deriving affixes in the natlangs I'm familiar
with each have some specific even if vague or very wide semantics beyond a
mere 'related to' which they contribute to the derived adjective. English
zero-derived adjectives may in fact be an exception, but then it's not
always clear to me how that differs from compounding. I also think that
this is inharent in the fact that you have an affix which (a) must be
attached to every adjective and (b) can be used on its own to derive
adjectives from any stem without qualifying the semantic relation. You, I
would almost say inevitably, get semantics similar to the Finnish genitive.

The Esperanto _-e_ also goes beyond what adverb affixes like the Swedish
_-t_ or English _-ly_ do. It seems to me that a compound with _-e_ can
stand in for an entire adverbial phrase, which is very Sanskritesque.

I once did a sketch for a lang which intentionally had no distinction
between compounding, derivation and inflexion. E.g. you would use the same
morpheme as a plural suffix and as the root of 'many' and 'multiply'. It
was intended as a cross between a spooflang (on Quenya) and a gamelang, but
I couldn't resist indulging in some grammatico-semantic experimentation in
the name of ease of learning. If you are interested I may post a bit on it
when I'm at my computer again. It's 1 AM now and I'm going t try to sleep.

Den tisdagen den 22:e januari 2013 skrev Jim Henry:

> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Melroch <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > Similarly the fact that modern spoken Esperanto has no clear
> > division between compounding and derivation or indeed between derivation
> > and subordination may be an example of such grammar reduction with an
> > efficiency gain.
>
> Could you expand on that?
>
> The distinction between roots and affixes seems to have been abandoned
> around the 1920s -- that's the earliest I know of when affixes start
> getting used as stand-alone words, or we see compounds built purely of
> "affixes" with no "roots".  I can sort of see you would consider that
> a "grammar reduction" along the same lines as the limited subset of
> Sanskrit you describe; it simplifies the morphology if we don't need
> to distinguish between unlike types of morpheme (although it's not
> quite that simple; some of the original "affixes" are still arguably
> affixes, with special rules for use that aren't just an application of
> the general compounding rules).  But I'm not sure what you mean by "no
> clear division between .... derivation and subordination".
>
> --
> Jim Henry
> http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
> http://www.jimhenrymedicaltrust.org
>

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