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CONLANG  January 2013, Week 4

CONLANG January 2013, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Lexicon (proportion and quantity)

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BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:49:23 +0100

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On 2013-01-25 14:47, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
>> >The common core of vocabulary which is used
>> >most and by everyone is rather small -- a couple of
>> >thousand words at the most!
>> >
>> >
> I use the following rule of thumb, which is useful to measure both
> advancement in learning a language and in creating one:
> - At 50 words you basically can't really interact with others only in that
> language;
> - At 500 words you can get by in the most basic conversations with natives;
> - At 5000 words you can handle at least 95% of the situations thrown at you
> except discussions necessitating specific jargons;
> - At 50000 words you know the language as well as if not better than most
> natives.

Still the 1000--2000 most common words make up between 80--95%
of running text.  Not much help when, as is usual, the remaing
5--20% are crucial to understanding what people are
saying/writing, but still.  If you have those 90% covered
by your conlang you have a good vocabulary for a conlang.
I have actively used the lists at 
<http://spraakbanken.gu.se/statistik/> for vocabulary building. 
I'm sure you can
easily Google similar stuff in other languages...

I like George think your 5000 figure for normal conversation
is way too high.  I'd put it between 2000--3000, where you
manage more than 95% of any text (where 'text' may be speech,
though testing these things *is* way easier with reading
comprehension.

Then how do you measure my vocabulary in any one Romance language?
I fully believe that it's stored in my brain as a common
*Romance* vocabulary + rules how to convert into/out of individual
languages.  That's also why my reading comprehension is much
better than my hearing comprehension or speaking ability.
Likewise my continuing ability to understand spoken Danish
hinges a lot on my knowledge of how to pronounce written
Danish, allowing me to decode spoken Danish into written
Danish and then into Swedish -- and remember my childhood
dialect's vocabulary is much closer to Danish/Norwegian than
what Standard Swedish is.
IME you can have a rather high degree of reading comprehension
in a language without much speech comprehension.  Thus you cannot
measure vocabulary solely by conversational proficiency or vice
versa.  If you could I'd understand spoken French! ;-)

/bpj

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