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CONLANG  February 2013, Week 1

CONLANG February 2013, Week 1

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Re: THEORY: Practical limit of inflection complexity?

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:45:28 +0100

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Hallo conlangers!

On Friday 01 February 2013 04:47:42 Js Bangs wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Leonardo Castro
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> > > The Indo-European languages have been trending towards morphological
> > >
> > > simplicity for several millenia, now, which explains why the familiar
> > > European languages are all somewhat simpler in their spoken forms than
> > > their written forms. But this is by no means universal or required.
> >
> > And how do you think this phenomenon happens to IE languages?
>
> That is a very good question, and no one really knows the answer. It has
> been suggested in the past that languages go through "waves", oscillating
> between the isolating and synthetic poles of the language spectrum over
> thousands of years. Under this theory, Proto-IE was near the maximally
> synthetic pole, and all of its daughter languages have been slowly moving
> towards the isolating pole. Meanwhile, other language families have been
> doing the opposite, moving from isolation to greater synthesis.
>
> However, no one really believes this theory any more, since there's no real
> explanation to be had of *why* this happens, and there are lots of
> counterexamples. so we're left with the fact that nearly all of the
> Indo-European languages demonstrate this trend, and we don't know why.

Also, the 19th-century "analytic/agglutinating/fusional" typology
is better applied to subsystems of a language rather than to whole
languages. There are many languages which combine all three. For
example, Spanish is widely considered a fusional language, but while
this holds for its verbs, the nouns express number agglutinatively
and case analytically.
 
> Nonetheless, there are still lots of non-IE languages that have gotten
> *more* morphologically complex over time, and lots of languages with
> complexity comparable or greater than that of Latin, Greek, Sanskrit, et
> al.

Yep. Just take a grand tour of North America, and you will find
lots of indigenous languages that leave Sanskrit in the dust when
it comes to morphological complexity.

--
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