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CONLANG  February 2013, Week 2

CONLANG February 2013, Week 2

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Re: OT YAEPT -omp, -onk

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:27:07 -0800

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--- On Thu, 2/14/13, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:05:14 -0500, Amanda Babcock Furrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>[1] We had phonics in second grade. I loved it, except for
>the perplexing nonsense about there being different vowels
>in OSTRICH and whatever other word they used to exemplify
>the other vowel. I don't recall the teacher being able to
>explain that one to us :)

Oy vey, the state of linguistics education, even teachers aren't aware that there _is_ dialectal variation on these points, oy vey. 

>Come to think of it, which vowel *is* in ostrich, cot or
>caught?

RM chez moi, [O]

My rule of thumb, as a fellow single low back vowel haver, is that spellings with O have the "cot" vowel (something like /A/) and spellings with A have the "caught" vowel (something like /O/). Cue eleventy people pointing out exceptions, or systems incompatible with this...
===========================================

lots of exceptions. cot, mod, bod, rod, bog with [A], dog, log, fog, moth, et no doubt al. with [O]. 

I assume wrath and wroth /rOt/ are somehow related. Note that the Germanic name Roth [rot] becomes [rOt/] -- I think S.J. Perelman wrote something about "waxing Roth" :-))

even "au" spellings aren't always [O]-- not too many, but e.g. draught (at least when used in US), laugh and derivs. with []; likewise the "ou" words, sometimes [O] (wrought, bought, cough [contra hiccough!!!) ), others diphthong [aw] bough, plough

This thread, albeit amusing, threatens to go on forever!!

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