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Re: OT YAEPT -omp, -onk

From:

Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:06:13 -0600

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According to my 1953 Webster's the ch pronunciation is "formerly and
still by some." So it used to be a thing, but it's like totally not
any more.

Adam

On 2/12/13, Tim Smith <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On 2/12/2013 4:52 PM, Randy Frueh wrote:
>> On Feb 12, 2013 1:22 PM, "Alex Fink" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:10:56 -0800, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I looked it up in several online dictionaries and apparently everyone
>>>> else pronounces it /k/. All I can say about that is that clearly
>>>> everyone else is wrong! ;-)
>>>
>>> Yeah, that's sÚ not my reaction when I discover a (historical) spelling
>> pronunciation in my own usage.  My reaction is more like "kill the mutant
>> with fire!  restore my lect to a state of righteousness!".  It should be
>> no
>> surprise that for me "conch" is /kANk/; I don't remember if I ever had
>> /tS/
>> there.  (I merge cot & caught, so am not a data point for And.)
>>>
>>> Alex
>>
>> I have always said it with the ch- as in church as well... however, I
>> don't
>> think that I've ever heard the word spoken. I'm from the midwest so it
>> doesn't come up in common conversation often.
>> ~totally horrified at the thought of having mispronounced it~
>>
>
> You haven't been mispronouncing it!  I've just looked in two print
> dictionaries (as opposed to online dictionaries), and they both show
> both pronunciations (although they both list the /Nk/ pronunciation
> first, indicating that it's "preferred" (but preferred by whom?)).
>
> Admittedly they're both rather old dictionaries: The Random House
> Dictionary of the English Language, College Edition, 1969, and the
> American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 1970.  So it's
> conceivable that the /tS/ pronunciation has become less accepted over
> the past four decades or so.  Are the people who say /kAntS/ (I'm one of
> them, and I'm 63) older on average than those who say /kANk/?  (I have
> to say, though, that this strikes me as unlikely.  I would expect a
> spelling pronunciation to get _more_ accepted over time, not less.)
>
> - Tim
>

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