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CONLANG March 2013, Week 2

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Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to conlangs such as Esperanto?

From:

George Corley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:08:25 -0600

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 1:56 PM, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Den fredagen den 8:e mars 2013 skrev Alex Fink<[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:45:43 +0000, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On 08/03/2013 01:13, Patrick Dunn wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote:
> > >[snip]
> > >>> Another possibility for the use of a new tense was an
> > >>> "unspecified tense", as I understand Greek aorist to
> > >>> be, or as described in Rick Morneau's Latejami. There
> > >>> are lots of things about Latejami that I think should
> > >>> be part of a good language.
> >
> > Well, for these sorts of senses of "good", the whole tense marking system
> > being non-obligatory is the only way to go!
> >
> > Non-obligatory morphology
>
> The concept of non-obligatory morphology crops up here from time to time,
> but I wonder if it really occurs in natlangs with bound morphemes.
> Non-bound morphemes certainly can and often are truly optional but I can't
> recall ever seing optional bound morphemes in a natlang. Apparent cases
> would seem to always actually be clitics or actually belong in word
> formation rather than inflection.
>
> Take for example the enclitic definite article in Old Scandinavian. It's
> descendant in the modern languages is a bunch of bound morphemes and they
> are obligatory: when you speak of something definite it has to be there.
> Not a trace of optionalness. In Old Norse and Old Swedish the definite
> enclitic could (still) be omitted, at least in poetry, but it clearly was a
> clitic:
>
> -  Both the noun and the article were fully inflected for number and case.
> -  The article could be moved in front of the noun with an adjective
> between them, somtimes appearing both preposed and enclitic at the same
> time.
>
> Any counterexamples?
>

The Mandarin plural marker is probably a bound suffix (one of a very few
bound morphemes in Mandarin), but it is optional on human nouns.  (It's
actually ungrammatical on non-human nouns, but obligatory with personal
pronouns).

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