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Re: THEORY: How alien is syllable stress for French natives?

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:31:02 -0300

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Apparently, stress and time are always correlated to some degree, as
some people claim that all language is something between purely
stress-rhythmed and purely syllable-rhythm. The third paper below
shows some interesting linear regressions of the graph "duration of
accentual group X number of syllables of the group":

http://www.solki.jyu.fi/apples/020201/The%20functional%20irrhythmicality%20of%20spontaneous%20speech.htm
http://www.personal.reading.ac.uk/~llsroach/phon2/frp.pdf
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0102-44502000000200006&script=sci_arttext

Até mais!

Leonardo


2013/3/10 Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>:
> I just found a paper:
>
> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=5254928E628E5212939FA61159BF21D7?doi=10.1.1.16.8251&rep=rep1&type=pdf
> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.16.8251
>
> Até mais!
>
> Leonardo
>
>
> 2013/3/10 Douglas Koller <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:56:46 -0600
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: THEORY: How alien is syllable stress for French natives?
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> > I was thinking about how French people perceive stressed-unstressed
>>> > contrast. Is it as strange and difficult as tones for those whose
>>> > native language doesn't have them?
>>
>>> Speakers
>>> of pitch-accent or simple tone systems may fix stress as a high tone or
>>> something like that.  In fact, I've heard that it's still under debate
>>> whether some simple-tone languages have both tone _and_ stress.
>>
>> The converse was certainly true when I was first learning Japanese. Pitch accent? What was pitch accent? (no one *tells* you these things). I initially placed stress on the long vowel syllables ("eiga" ['e:ga]) and on syllables before geminate consonants ("katta" ['kat.ta]). If there were both, long vowels trumped ("gakkō" [gak'ko:]) (the flower/nose distinction, which offers neither, was lost on me). I guess sheer mimicry ironed it all out. Things being the way they are, of course, it wasn't until I had internalized it all, left Japan, and moved to Taiwan that I found a Japanese-Chinese dictionary that mapped out pitch patterns in utterly excrutiating detail. I'd *like* to think I've brought this all to bear in learning Swedish, and that souls and wild ducks are more than just me throwing stress around the room. Alas, I haven't run into an errant Swede lately to accost and regale.
>>
>> Kou
>>

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