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CONLANG  March 2013, Week 2

CONLANG March 2013, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Online Moten Dictionary

From:

BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:10:52 +0100

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On 2013-03-08 09:11, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
> On 7 March 2013 17:49, BPJ<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>
>> >
>> >Too much mouse-pointing and menu-mucking for my taste.
>> >
> Toolbox has lots of keyboard shortcuts :P .

It's actually more than a peeve in my case. The less I use
the mouse the less my shoulder hurts (yes it *always* hurts
but it's reducible)  I guess I should get a scrollball in
front of the keyboard instead -- or a laptop, but my hands
are too big! :-)

>
>
>> >I'm basically a plain-text guy. Besides I can sort any
>> >which way me pleases (almost) from within perl:
>> >
>> >
> I'm more a GUI person myself. I like using the keyboard as much as
> possible, but love to be able to fall back on using the mouse if I forget
> commands.

I'm so vimmified that I try to use vim commands in other programs.
If you see any random letters littered around my emails you'll 
know why!

>
> See, that's how rusty my programming skills are: I understand everything
> you write, but have no idea how I'd go around implementing it myself! I
> haven't done any serious programming for more than 10 years, and I wasn't
> that great to begin with...

And I'm no real programmer! (No formal training etc.)

>> >Sorry to say but there was a bug which would cause it
>> >not to compile right on line 11! Also It's quite

> See, I would never have found that bug. Perl is not really my forte.

I'ld not have spotted it without syntax highlighting
either as it was a forward slash instead of a backslash
in the middle of a regular expression! I realized later
that actually it would compile but if they intended
what they say in the associated comment it wouldn't do
what they intended, which is worse of course!

>
>> >Anyway you might probably write something in Ruby
>> >to get your database into a datastructure. The
>> >parsing code in Text::Shoebox isn't exactly
>> >complicated, though it too shows its age.
>> >
>> >
> The parsing isn't what I fear most. It's the next
> step, converting the data into a useful XeLaTeX
> file. I'm currently looking at bilingual
> dictionaries typeset in LaTeX to see how I could
> create a template. My LaTeX programming skills
> are*very* rusty, so I'd rather not have to create my
> own styles :P .

That's only stage 3 I'm afraid. Going through the data,
grouping and ordering it correctly and wrapping it in
LaTeX commands correctly is what I fear most -- more
exactly how to do it without getting lost in a maze of
conditionals; 'chunking it down' as someone called it.
Not only must you divide the whole lexicon into
entries, you must also divide the entry into the part-of-
speech/sense number/subentry hierarchy -- at least
unless everything in each output entry is always going
to come in exactly the order it stands in the database.
I'm thinking an object class for each (sub)entryish
type which can be accessed either as a plain array --
in the order they come in the database -- or as an
associative array -- by 'marker' (which I keep thinking
about as 'tag'), which then in turn would have arrays
as values since there may be several fields with the
same tag --, and at the bottom level a field object
class with a tag and a value property, and then for
each class a template or method which stringifies it in
a sensible way. All in the interest of the user only
needing to worry about the template bit.

See, already scratching that itch... :-/

And I have to <del>make money</del><ins>do serious work</ins>!

/bpj

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