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CONLANG March 2013, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Creating a Proto-language

From:

Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:35:51 -0700

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The Yemorans live in a dragon culture, but they're insectoid humans. So I'd
thought of calling the proto-language silknish. I don't mind creating the
silknish lexicon. I'm thinking the word ordr won't change. Does Silknish
need a language bore that? I have the ifo I need for Yardish's lexicon, I
just started re-ordering them yesterday. I won't do the phonetic
traqnscriptions, though.  I'm thinking Silknish died out, and Yardish became
its replacement, so I'm guessing it would have a short lexicon.

-----Original Message-----
From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Hugo Cesar de Castro Carneiro
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:56 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Creating a Proto-language

It is also possible, and very fun, to create an "a priori proto-language",
i.e. creating a new language and calling it the proto-language of a group
of languages and creating the evidences that would support this new conlang
to be the proto-language of all those languages. This evidences should
include a lot of uncommon sound changes that would only happen in a few
words.
Afterwards, trying to create an "a posteriori proto-language" from the
original conlangs. This "a posteriori proto-language" will be different
from the "a priori proto-language" and you could state that the real
proto-language is the a priori one, but the a posteriori one is the one
found by the scholars of your conworld.


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> You don't *need* to have a protolanguage.  A lot of us like to do that
> because we find figuring out the sound changes to be fun, but if you think
> it's a chore, skip it.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > So, I was wong, and do need to create the language. Any name ideas?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Jeffrey Daniel Rollin-Jones
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:47 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Creating a Proto-language
> >
> > You need to devise a series of sound shifts by which Yardish derived
from
> > the proto-language, but in reverse. For example, if Yardish has /j/, you
> > could derive it from /g/ before a front vowel, (possibly via /dzh/,
which
> > would give you an allophone of /g/; then you could posit the loss of
> front
> > vowels after /j/, which would result in /g/ being a different phoneme
> from
> > /j/. To make it more realistic, you also need to devise a phonology for
> the
> > proto-language from which derive the sound-changed which lead to
Yardish,
> > possibly along with lexical, morphological and syntactic differences.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 21 Mar 2013, at 15:38, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > I haven't gotten to the section where I need this info, but when I do,
> > how
> > > do I create a proto-language for Yardish to borrow from? Can I have
> > Yardish
> > > borrow from itself? I think we may have discussed this awhile back. I
> > took
> > a
> > > read through the lesson, but it's written as if I was taking the
course
> > with
> > > colleagues. I don't need to create that language, just be able to
> borrow
> > > words from it, and translate them into Yardish, and tell their
original
> > > form.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> order from Finishing Line
> Press<
> http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
> and
> Amazon<
>
http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie
=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2
> >.
>

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